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On the future of Live Events and RP in general

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Kueyen
Angharradh's Aegis
#1 - 2013-09-18 10:52:25 UTC
Given http://themittani.com/news/new-ccp-moderated-channels-announced (a possibly one-sided article grouping a set of CCP Falcon quotes involving the creation of new RP channels because the current ones have been deemed discriminatory), some upheaval is to be expected...

Most worrysome (to me) is the final statement of the article: "In addition, CCP Falcon did say that live events, like the Battle for Caldari Prime, are on an indefinite hiatus." Is CCP consigning the EVE NPC factions to an unchanging future? Is this yet another disincentive to high-sec life, because nothing ever changes there, and nothing you do there will ever matter to the big picture?

Can we get some sort of official statement about what's going on?

Until all are free...

Salpun
Global Telstar Federation Offices
Masters of Flying Objects
#2 - 2013-09-18 11:38:37 UTC
Sounds like a good way to simplify the communication process with the players during live events. There has always been a need for IC communication to appear some where else other then in local chat during live events like in a new IC UI tab for example.

It also might be that the tools the live events team has been asking for, to do things right, are finally getting programed in for the winter release and doing things before then would just complicate things.

The loss of dev interaction in game is sad however if proved true.

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Jowen Datloran
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
#3 - 2013-09-18 12:18:57 UTC
If Live Events are on "indefinite hiatus", then why create new channels to facilitate them now? What?

Appears counter productive. Meh, [:CCP:]

Mr. Science & Trade Institute, EVE Online Lorebook 

Nevyn Auscent
Broke Sauce
#4 - 2013-09-18 12:43:42 UTC
This is a Mittani news report with no direct link to any kind of actual CCP reference......
I'd take details with a grain of salt till we can verify it.
Kueyen
Angharradh's Aegis
#5 - 2013-09-18 12:52:34 UTC
Nevyn Auscent wrote:
This is a Mittani news report with no direct link to any kind of actual CCP reference......
I'd take details with a grain of salt till we can verify it.

That would be the purpose of this thread, yes: to solicit an official response from CCP about this topic (and foster discussion about it) in a place where we can all see it (i.e. not an ingame chat channel)

Until all are free...

Nevyn Auscent
Broke Sauce
#6 - 2013-09-18 13:10:32 UTC
Kueyen wrote:
Nevyn Auscent wrote:
This is a Mittani news report with no direct link to any kind of actual CCP reference......
I'd take details with a grain of salt till we can verify it.

That would be the purpose of this thread, yes: to solicit an official response from CCP about this topic (and foster discussion about it) in a place where we can all see it (i.e. not an ingame chat channel)

Agreed, just also no point grabbing the pitchforks over live events till we get that response
Jowen Datloran
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
#7 - 2013-09-18 13:33:16 UTC
Oh, would you look at that:
Quote:
CCP Falcon • 2 hours ago −
"In addition, CCP Falcon did say that live events, like the Battle for Caldari Prime, are on an indefinite hiatus."

I think there's certainly a misunderstanding, and misinformation here. I happened to casually mention that events on the scale of Caldari Prime are not in the works at present, however that we are continuing work on live events as a whole, and are currently in planning stages for the future.

It may be a good idea to contact us for clarification regarding statements like this in future :)

Mr. Science & Trade Institute, EVE Online Lorebook 

Kueyen
Angharradh's Aegis
#8 - 2013-09-18 13:50:55 UTC
Good to know, but perhaps CCP Falcon could state that over here, on CCP's own forums (where we can actually verify his identity), in a thread attempting to do the very thing he was asking for over there (asking for clarification)...

Also, these new channels could do with an announcing as well (in this thread, in a sticky thread, in a devblog). I suppose the article on TheMittani.com outed news that CCP wasn't ready to release yet.

Until all are free...

Jowen Datloran
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
#9 - 2013-09-18 14:01:54 UTC
Seriously, the amount of time saved by not defending against all rumormongers is better used for something else.

Mr. Science & Trade Institute, EVE Online Lorebook 

Nevyn Auscent
Broke Sauce
#10 - 2013-09-18 14:13:46 UTC
Jowen Datloran wrote:
Seriously, the amount of time saved by not defending against all rumormongers is better used for something else.

Probably, but this is the official Live Events forum. An actual post here isn't defending themselves. It's letting all of us who didn't happen to be in the right chat channel at the right time know what is actually going on.
Anabella Rella
Gradient
Electus Matari
#11 - 2013-09-18 14:55:05 UTC
I really dislike that it's now common for companies to use social media sites to communicate with their customers rather than their own official websites. Using social media as a supplement is fine but, there are a lot of people (myself included) who don't use those sites and don't even think to check them for official information. I do, however, check CCP's website and forums on a regular basis.

Silly me, thinking that CCP would use their own property to communicate directly with us customers. Roll

Come on CCP, seriously. How about telling us what's going on here before you post on Twitter and Facebook?

When the world is running down, you make the best of what's still around.

CCP Goliath
C C P
C C P Alliance
#12 - 2013-09-18 16:32:47 UTC
Don't panic! It was an out of context quote I assume. We are still beavering away on events, the quote was meant to indicate that there is nothing on the scale of BoCP in our plans at this time. I've asked the author to update the post to reflect this inaccuracy.

CCP Goliath | QA Director | EVE Illuminati | @CCP_Goliath

CCP Falcon
#13 - 2013-09-18 17:17:06 UTC  |  Edited by: CCP Falcon
Kueyen wrote:
Given http://themittani.com/news/new-ccp-moderated-channels-announced (a possibly one-sided article grouping a set of CCP Falcon quotes involving the creation of new RP channels because the current ones have been deemed discriminatory), some upheaval is to be expected...

Most worrysome (to me) is the final statement of the article: "In addition, CCP Falcon did say that live events, like the Battle for Caldari Prime, are on an indefinite hiatus." Is CCP consigning the EVE NPC factions to an unchanging future? Is this yet another disincentive to high-sec life, because nothing ever changes there, and nothing you do there will ever matter to the big picture?

Can we get some sort of official statement about what's going on?


This was a quote that came from thin air. The only related thing I can possibly think of is having been asked about events the size of Caldari Prime being on the cards, and replying that while we have nothing on the scale of Caldari Prime currently in the works, live events are still a thing, and we're planning for upcoming events right now.

On the 12th, I spoke in game regarding the creation of the two new channels after we received a number of complaints that some players were locked out of interacting with live event actors due to the fact we were utilizing player created channels that players had moderator control over.

The result was two channels being created with no player oversight or moderation to ensure that everyone receives their fair share of content without the restriction of that content being in player's hands.

We are of course in a position where we have to allow everyone to have equal access to the content that we put out in live events, and it is of course unfair that people should be locked out of interaction with live events when they occur.

As I said this morning in a single comment made on the article on themittani.com, and can reiterate here, while we have nothing on the scale of Caldari Prime currently in the works, live events are still very much alive, and we're in the planning process for the future right now.

We weren't contacted with regards to clarifying this or commenting on it before the article was published, so unfortunately this lead to a bit of misinformation.

The comment that I dropped on themittani.com in response to the article this morning is as follows:

Quote:
"In addition, CCP Falcon did say that live events, like the Battle for Caldari Prime, are on an indefinite hiatus."

I think there's certainly a misunderstanding, and misinformation here. I happened to casually mention that events on the scale of Caldari Prime are not in the works at present, however that we are continuing work on live events as a whole, and are currently in planning stages for the future.

It may be a good idea to contact us for clarification regarding statements like this in future :)


I also contacted the author of the article this morning with a view to having this corrected, but as of yet I haven't heard back.

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Isis Dea
Society of Adrift Hope
#14 - 2013-09-18 17:46:03 UTC
CCP Falcon wrote:
*tons of details* Smile


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Akrasjel Lanate
Immemorial Coalescence Administration
Immemorial Coalescence
#15 - 2013-09-18 18:05:29 UTC
I'm suprised i learn about such stuff from TMC insted for example from EVE Forum there are here for a damn reason.

I can live without Caldari Prime size events(most people came there for killmail whoring anyway).

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Citizen of Solitude

Kueyen
Angharradh's Aegis
#16 - 2013-09-18 18:16:00 UTC
Many thanks for the clarifications, CCP Falcon and CCP Goliath.

Until all are free...

Nevyn Auscent
Broke Sauce
#17 - 2013-09-19 00:01:46 UTC
Could a CCP Rep perhaps update https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=179546&find=unread with the new channels? So the 'official' resources links don't point to the old channels (or at least not just to the old channels)
Anabella Rella
Gradient
Electus Matari
#18 - 2013-09-19 14:58:23 UTC
Thanks for the clarifications but, how about commenting on my assertion that players apparently need to monitor social media and/or third party sites in order to find out what's going on in Eve? Can you guys please try to assure that info gets posted here on the forums or, somewhere on a CCP-owned website first? Thanks!

When the world is running down, you make the best of what's still around.

CCP Goliath
C C P
C C P Alliance
#19 - 2013-09-20 15:46:04 UTC
Anabella Rella wrote:
Thanks for the clarifications but, how about commenting on my assertion that players apparently need to monitor social media and/or third party sites in order to find out what's going on in Eve? Can you guys please try to assure that info gets posted here on the forums or, somewhere on a CCP-owned website first? Thanks!


I don't follow the assertion. In this case it was someone putting out a statement that we didn't put out! Why would we make sure that quotes that aren't really quotes are quoted on our own site?

CCP Goliath | QA Director | EVE Illuminati | @CCP_Goliath

Anabella Rella
Gradient
Electus Matari
#20 - 2013-09-20 23:31:00 UTC
I wasn't only referring to that incident. There have also been other cases as well, the most recent being the announcement of the upcoming expansion video stream with the devs getting posted on a third party site before it was announced here.

When the world is running down, you make the best of what's still around.

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