Player Features and Ideas Discussion

You lost me at "the same DPS as Pirate Battleships". That's just going to turn into power-creep because that much DPS with T2 resists is going to be powerful no matter how slow the hull is. Their lower DPS IS a weakness, and a fairly good one for ships with good damage application and projection. Also, again, Pirate BS prices are almost entirely based on null-sec site running.



They've changed nothing, the jump timer has always been 60 seconds from last aggressive action. The Aggression timer on the other hand is 15 minutes and is refreshed whenever you or the other person/group engage each other.



Actually they're trying to NOT make them as good as Pirate Battleships. T2 are supposed to be focused ships, meaning better in one area but not in others. So a more general ship like a Pirate Battleship is supposed to out-perform the Marauders in some areas but not in a few as well.

The original post specifically stated "PvE with niche PvP applications"



On the flip side though it means you don't have to worry about plugging those holes in your tank and generally lets you fit one less tanking module and still have well-rounded resists. Generally you plug those holes because if you don't and the enemy finds out you haven't you're going to die rather badly.

Also "less common" is a relative thing. For missions this is mostly true, but in PvP it often depends on what sort of fleet you're fighting. If you're going up against Pulse Abaddons you're going to be glad if you've got that EM resist bonus on a Minmattar ship, ditto for Explosive/Kinetic against minmattar.

Also Minmattar get Thermal and Amarr get Kinetic, they just don't get both.

Not sure about exact number but Gallente real threadnaughts have often passed the barrier of 385 pages. And there were a few of those over the years.

Probably, however, the suggestion that I threw out on the last page would probably fit much better than t2 resists..
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The 1st iteration is not too bad. It could use a little adjusting. The downside is that the ship will not be good at all forms of PVE.

The MJD idea is good but you must be able to select any distance from 1km to 100km on the mod for it to work. Having a fixed 100km is just absurd. Just as absurd as the fact that all ships don't have a ammo bay by now.

All T2 ships should have a calibration of 600 for losing 1 rig slot. The ability to fit 2 T2 damage rigs is something I think all would like.

Also stop giving ships a bonus that could be built into the hull or a bonus that only works in certain situations like resist vs. repair amount. This way players can always have the full benefit of their hull bonuses and not just 1 or 3. Plus it will be one less thing for the Paladin pilots to complain about as they already ask for outrageous stuff. +4% Resist per level on the Paladin? Whatever...

In theory yes, in practise no.

Where in RNI You need better application, DPS or tank? It ouperforms every old and new marauder.

Hell even rail mission vindi don't need more range or tracking, not even tank.

Where on Golem will You put more damage or application mods? (only cruise golem have sense and with it You don't even need TP, just put rigors).
Why use Kronos when there's vindi with better DPS, +1mid slot and +1rig (yeah better res on marauder but vindi don't need more tank)
Why use Paladin when there's Nightmare that need's nothing more to outperform it.
Vargur? Yeah always good to have more TC's and range in Bastion but why use Vargur when there's RNI?

And all of them have bad sensors, are slower, and standing still will even more cut Your time effi...

Incursions? No use because no remote reps, damn even more tracking is not needed because vindis web everything and they can blap those frigates, range is useles because You need to move on sites.

I really like the fact that you guys are daring to go in a new direction with Marauders. The MJD bonus is something that has not been seen before and will give them awesome mobility. Bastion mode is balanced around active tanking, which will let Marauders function as the badass pve boats they were intended to be as well as able to be gatecamp busters. The immunity to ewar is also completely awesome and is a great solution to the 1 vs. many debate.

Tech II resists will allow them to be utilized in small gangs with logi and as buffer fit machines of destruction.

Since they are going to have plenty of extra highs (3 when fitting full weapons and Bastion) in which to fit neuts and smartbombs, will a web be completely necessary for these guys? They will already require a scram to hold down, and any frigate tackling will need to pack a nosferatu or cap booster in order to resist the neuting potential. Neuts, MJD, and a bonused web are going to make these guys extremely tough to tackle and hold in a frigate, this will definitely cause interceptor pilots to start fitting more scrams. I personally feel that the web bonus is not the best one to have for Marauders, to me it feels like ya'll are pandering to the masses instead of doing something that will be fun play.

I would much rather see the web bonus replaced with something like the ability to use covert ops cynos, Allowing these guys to be repositioned quickly when an escalation is around, and giving rise to a lot of fun pvp options.

As always, keep up the good work,
FistyMcBumBasher

This is just blatant power-creep. T2 ships are supposed to be specialized ships that are a bit better than others in a few situations, not god-ships, and what you're describing is definitely a god-ship.



Yup, for reference every T2 ship has a 75% bonus to its primary T2 resist and a 50% bonus on its secondary resist.



Actually there are very few pure Kinetic bonused ships anymore and both the Amarr and Minmattar missile ships have generic bonuses meaning both can use any type of ammo without penalty. Event he Caldari are down to relatively few generic bonused ships though their ships with a Kinetic bonus tend to have more launchers than those ships with a generic bonus. The Raven line specifically has no typed damage bonuses.

Also on the claim that there are very few Amarr pilots I point you at the Pulse-Abaddon fleet doctrine that's still used in Null.



Also, again, if you know someone's going to have a type hole you can exploit it quite easily so those bonuses are still useful, especially since they more easily let you achieve a well balanced resist profile.

It is stationary in bastion mode. You cannot dock for 60 seconds after the mode is over. You have horrible speed and horrible sensor strength outside of Bastion. Give it more drawbacks if need be. I am just saying the module is pretty useless if it doesn't increase performance by a great deal. It locks you in place. As of now I will probably just use the CNR or a Mach, they both do more dps. You don't need much tank to clear pve sites and they are too expensive to pvp in.

If they are mini-dreads, would it not make more sense - ok, it actually won't cause I'm crap at this - to make the weapons "online" only and actually do 4K when in Bastion mode? In non Bastion mode, no guns for you.

If you don;t mount a Bastion module, you just have an improved Marauder, well, I'm assuming you would after the changes.

Funny that marauders try to be the best in PVE but they aren't the best in most important thing for that: DPS