Player Features and Ideas Discussion

I've thought about that being an issue as well.
Firstly, if you did fit more large weapons, you wouldn't have nearly enough CPU/grid to fit all 7 and tank, damage mods, utility, and whatever else.
However, if you did fit a full rack of 7 large weapons, then 3 of them wouldn't be usable outside of bastion mode, as per my suggestion.
This means that you would bastion, be locked in place, with low tank, low utility, and even if you had extremely high dps, you would get pwned by a couple of t1 frigs, if even more than one.

However, I'm not entirely sure that a bad design goal.
Go ahead and allow people to fit out like this.
This would it give us a high sec POS basher with long range and high dps, but easily countered if you wish to defend.

Personally, I like the idea of doing just what you're suggesting.
It adds a lot of spice to the marauder and they'll be be much more designs out there, instead of a one size fits all fitting design.

So, hull gives bonus to large weapons, bastion gives bonus to small weapons, tractors, and salvagers.
This allows for several different fits just in the high slots alone.


However, if you don't like that possibility, then it's easy for CCP to fix it so 7 large isn't possible.
Give golem 3 turret hard points and bonus to small hybrids.
Vargur gets bonuses to small launchers.
And someone else can figure out what to do with the Pali and Kronos.

if there will be balanced ressists it would be much much much better. But I dont think that they will introduce anything like that.

So I am happy with at least T2 ressist which I get instead of 37,5 % repair amount :-) (active tank is same, but I have also bonus to passive tanking which is nice)

Still waiting on my 'Rebalance EAS' thread CCP Rise and Fozzie.

If you look up a bit at the conversation we were having about weapons and resists, you may like what you see.

Personally, I'm quite happy with the repair bonus on my Paladin, with a Deadspace large repper, I'm getting 1700 armor hp per cycle. Using mission specific hardeners raising my resists to the 80%+ range, that means that my repairs are more efficient; i use it less. But being the game wrecking carebear that I am, that doesn't work for the REAL players out there.
I'm kidding...no really

It's all a question of play style I suppose. I rarely use a web on the Paladin, unless I'm in an Incursion fleet. I'd rather use the Micro Jump Drive and get range. You say potato...six of one...blind in one eye...allegories ensue.

A few more cents from me:

Undo the speed/navigation nerfs. It seems that was only done to push ppl to the mjd, which isn't enough justification IMO. Maybe a bonus affecting all prop mod.

Up the tractor beam bonus to compensate for the weapon range increases and stationary bastion mode. 200% ish? Would still be inferior to the noctis but significantly better.

Possibilities instead of webs:
Kill mjd role bonus, give diff hauls diff prop related bonuses.
Add heat reduction bonus to hull and bastion mod such that marauder V + thermal dynamics V + bastion active = no overload penalty.
Dare I say retain old bonuses? Change the bastion module instead.

So, from the original ship balancing dev-blog and specifically this image the Pirate Battleships are more likely to end up as slightly above the Navy Battleships but without much specialization. Overall this probably means some of them are in for a nerf. From where the most popular of them are they seem likely to be turned into either something roughly fitting with the Attack Battleship theme or some fusion of Combat and Attack Battleships, judging from where the Navy ships went.

T2 ships on the other hand are meant to be more focused, with specialized bonuses not available to T1 and Faction ships. This means things like the Bastion Module and the MJD bonus. However it also means that they're not supposed to step all over the toes of Faction ships and that the reverse is also true. Also the cost of Pirate Battleships is mostly determined by site running in null-sec and demand, so it would be nearly impossible to see them shoot up to 2 bil per hull. Case and point, this is roughly the current production cost of a Mach hull and its more profitable to turn in your pirate LP for Ammo, Implants, or Cruiser and Frigate BPCs.

I highly doubt we're going to see Black-Ops worked into some kind of anti-capital platform. That doesn't fit with the class or the ships leading up to it and is too highly specialized for a ship that costs as much in training and ISK as a Dreadnaught anyway.

Also Tiericide refers to changing the tiers within a ship class, so no more Battleships that require BS 1 being far worse than the Battleships that require BS 3. Since there's only one Dreadnaught hull per race Tiericide doesn't apply to them. We can expect whatever changes happen to Dreadnaughts to be related heavily to whatever happens with the eventual POS and Sov rework.

Racial traits are supposed to be small bonuses, not overwhelming advantages. That just creates massive imbalance and leads to one ship being "the best" while the others sit and stagnate because that ship has a set of traits that are overall more desireable and they've been boosted to ridiculous levels.

I SAY THEE NAY!!! I like the mjd role bonus...it's a good thing!

First I just want to point out that you make the base speed nerf sound like it is nothing and barely useful. If this is the case, why spend the time to nerf it in the first place? but on to addressing your points.

0 movement in bastion mode is a trade off when your tank gets heavy. Some of the tanks have actually gotten lighter outside of bastion mode b/c of the rep bonuses being removed.

Also, max speed is used for more than just tanking. Marauders current role is generally PvE based, so can affect travel time from gate to gate. If in falloff (esp an autocannon vargur), speed can be used to close the distance which = more dps. Lastly, although speed tanking is impractical, you can lower an enemy's angular with speed to increase applied dps.

We do agree though that the base speed was reduced b/c of the MJD bonus. This is what I question. What does a MJD have to do with speed esp on a BS, its not like they are going to dual prop. It only hurts ppl who decide to take a prop mod other than a MJD. I dont like that they are limiting these hulls just to force the MJD. It's not necessary.


Golem 10% reduction in MJD cd, Paladin 5% reduction in cap use of prop modules, vargur 10% speed bonus to ab, etc. Grant it kinda contradicts a few of the points a made earlier, but still better than a web bonus xD


Honestly, this is a pretty mild buff all things considered.
First compare to other modules already in the game.
The Siege Mod II is similar in the sense that you take a movement penalty and immune to remote support + EW. I would assume CCP believed that this is a pretty big penalty, because the not only add the 100% rep bonus, but a -50% rep duration, and a 840% damage modifier.

Now granted, subcap is a different game. I dont believe that an 840% dmg modifier nor the -50% rep duration are acceptible for a BS, but i do believe a tanking and dmg bonus are in order. The nice part about using OL as a way to implement a dmg bonus is that it wont do more dps in the short term than it is already capable of delivering, the only thing that increases is sustained dps, and while sustaining dps, you cant be remote repped or escape. Also, there is a bit of a buffer for this bonus. Currently marauders can OL about a 1:30 (give or take). This means you really arent going to benefit from it unless you have already overloaded for 1:30 + enter bastion mode or enter bastion mode for at least 2 minutes.

All things considered 15% extra autocannon dmg after a min and a half isnt that over the top considering you cant move or be remote repped. If the tanking part is your concern, the bonus from the bastion module could be changed. This would shift more tanking responsibility over to the fit b/c of OL hardeners.

No, I'm not making this sound like it's nothing, I'm saying it's a trade-off. Eve is full of those.

Also, these are still currently the only Battleships with full T2 resists meaning they're still really tanky ships, more so than almost any other sub-cap. Also if you'll notice I'm generally against losing the rep bonuses on the hull.



All of the things you bring up for missions can be done quite easily with an Afterburner even with the reduced speed, or in two minutes flat with two Micro-Jump-Drive jumps since no mission has gates even close to 200km apart, let along further away than that.

Also if you're kiting in PvP it's quite possible that you would dual-prop fit the hull with a MWD or AB to further adjust your range in increments smaller than 100km. The ability to jump 100km and then speed off further dictating range is really really powerful on a long ranged and very tanky ship so it makes sense that they'd want to limit this ability somewhat.



Just no. One, these are supposed to be role bonuses and two every hull in a T2 class is supposed to have the same role bonus. Otherwise you're just going to end up making one over-powered. Also there's a reason prop-mod bonuses are handed out rather sparingly. Some of them are really really powerful and there are more balanced things to replace that bonus with.



So, first, the capitals are on their way to a rebalance a well and more or less exist in their own little world of balance which only touches on sub-caps at the moment, so I dislike any comparison that requires you to make a direct comparison to a Dreadnaught in order to justify it as balanced.

Second, over-heating is not a "small bonus" it's a 15-50% buff to nearly every active module in the game. it's also meant as a trade-off that lets you make quick decisions about when and what to overheat. Just eliminating heat damage completely eliminates that aspect of PvP while being a huge buff to every module that you can over-heat which includes:

• Weapons
• Remote Repairs, ETs, Neuts, NOS, and probably some other things I'm forgetting that go in the high slots.
• Local repair and hardener modules.
• Cap Boosters
• All forms of Electronic Warfare
• Probably other things I'm forgetting (yes, I know I ignored prop mods, that was intentional)

Also it completely removes the repair cost of modules or the cost of nanite paste (this is expensive) and lets you overheat whenever you want rather than making it a careful decision which is one of the core things to learn in PvP (when to overheat and how-much).

Plus Bastion really does not need a damage buff. This just creates DPS power-creep between the T2 battleships and Pirate battleships, and severely risks turning them into "Dread-blap Junior". Just no on all counts.