Player Features and Ideas Discussion

Another thing, i don't know why you presume speaking for "all industry people" in null ...
I know plenty that are quite adequate with the mechanics and the concept of null... I also know a few that i myself woudl boot to highsec since they are a nuisance, with little use.

Those might, those might not, still not clear why you presume to speak for others in such uncompromising way.
When, do you suppose, we would be able to observe a mass migration of indy pilots from null to highsec?

A bit naive, you are, i fear. If you honestly thing that for every cloaky there would be someone to approach and initiate any sort of checks/contacts. This is why it's a bad idea - it doesn't consider the enviroment it's supposed to operate in, and its conditions.

Also bypassed easily by basic DSP work though raises the budget for a cheap webcam, and the plank from a schoolboy to a college student.
In addition to the fact that, I, on many occasions click on modules midcycle, and refuse convo's on a regular basis.
Simply a bad idea, nothing to do about it.

Bull. They find targets using the map to see logged in pilots, or by knowing the areas people play in. the only difference is they'd have to d-scan to see if people are stil lthere when they arrive.


Scanning what? They can warp straight to any site now. They don't even need to scan gravs anymore.

All you can do is ping d-scan and hope you click it during the half second when a claokers will be decloaked after a gate. Other than that you have to use scouts to watch for hostiles, making any system with multiple gates shockingly inefficient.

If someone saw them, which is only likely to happen when they engage someone.

Like above. Star map + d-scan. Miners and ratters can't cloak while mining and ratting.

Again you say this like it's just that simple. Like changing local with have n adverse affects, and it's just a case of following your sig and away we go. It's not that simple. Honestly I don't think it's even possible to do it without it being game breaking. There's too many systems that work fine as it currently stands, but that would be entirely over or under powered should they make your changes to local.
The problem is you see everything from your blinkered perspective, rather than actually seeing what it's like from all side and coming to a rational decision. Honestly if the choice was your idea or no change, I'd chose no change in a heartbeat. At least as it is at the moment it works.

I realy don't care how risky anything is I just wanna find those god damn cloaked vessels and shoot them up when I want and where I want in eve universe.

So give me probes, give me pings, give me ultimate detector tools anything just that I can go and find those anoying little ships and blow them up. And please take my local away if thats whats needed to do that as long I can find those bloody ships I will not complain.

I'll continue to argue that if AFK cyno camping is addressed that more people will come to null.... more people in null = a better null experience!

People keep stating Null should carry risks... I believe this risk should extend to cloaked ships.

I say make null more appealing to indy pilots, I've killed enemy indy on roams that where no paying attention... its easy! saying you can only kill indies with AFK tactics means you need to learn to PVP.

It's not "required", but you should be doing it if you want any kind of safety. If you choose not to, then you must accept the fact it puts you in an extremely weak position should anything happen



And that is what is broken. The fact that you - and you are here admitting this yourself! - get safe 99% of the time by doing nothing more than looking at a chat channel is very, very broken. This fact is exactly why prolonged cloaking and hot drops occur, because, as you say yourself, you can evade any unwanted risk or pvp with such a phenomenally high chance of success - so people find whatever desperate measures they can to try get you. It is not ok for you to have a 99% chance to evade all PVP in nullsec with virtually zero effort. It is not. Do you understand this game at all?



That is not the way it should be, again I have to question your understanding of this game. Industry ships are not meant for combat, but they are not meant to be immune to it. You yourself admit that 99% of the time they are completely immune with zero effort. That is broken.

Your post also reeks of "I want consensual pvp only". You want the ability to be able to evade pvp when it doesn't suit you with at least 99% reliability, so the only time you ever find yourself in a fight is when you have chosen to - when you've got your stuff safe and switched into a better ship, or formed a fleet, or waited until the time suits you. Well that's not how it works. PVP in this game is not consensual.

I find it astonishing that you would make a post like this - admitting that you have near perfect safety - in a thread where all you've done is consistently ask for changes which would INCREASE your safety. You already have far more than you should, by your own admission.

For crying out loud, do you not understand how childish you appear asking to increase/maintain your perfect safety, and saying that you want it to operate such that the only time you ever have to fight someone is when you are ready to, when you agree to it?

Just biomass yourself, you utter toddler

Now now, no need to get that exited.
I am simply telling you what's going to happen, and i am telling you that you won't like it.
Simply because it's a lousy solution.

well said. especially, "The cloaked pilot, as with any other pilot in the game, experiences risk at the point where they shift from being a potential threat to an actual threat."

however, I still think this indicates there is no problem with cloaking... save perhaps the free intel in local.