Player Features and Ideas Discussion

My main concern for a long time now has been he way to huge repamounts given the basehp. On a lowsec vargur (HG crystals, CS-links, strong blue), you're achieving something around the 7k shieldboosts, or near 80% of your max HP. While it is okay for shields which are easy to apply tahnks to instaboosts, go over to armor <.<

10k buffer, repping 6k with each AAR cycle.... sure. Nice design. This' gonna bleed structure nonstop.

Cycletime and capreduction is mostly the only choice to not mess it up with the uberapplications made possible by ASBs/AARs.

Bastion itself would be fir nice into a more supportwise role... I dunno exactly which one but my feelings something like a Bubble with effect which increase something would be nice...

Like for instance, instead of "zdat" bastion mode: Bubble immune (but not scram or focused point)

Nothing cloak or whatever the heck transformer-stinky-stuff-leave-that-for-Dust514, just the MJD bonus and bubble immune. This on top of Sensor buff (DO IT TBH !! What you afraid of? hun??) would help them go somewhere do some stuff and eventually get back, eventually means they wouldn't find anyone capable to set a group of players together to counter them and knowing how this ship works.
Yep a bit like Black Ops, so many tears about it when those are so easy to counter.

The issue with rep ammount beign too close to base HP can be solved by changing Bastion bonus from repair ammount into
50% less time on repair/boost cycle and 50% reduction on cap usage of repair/boost modules.

My biggest thing is that this is the most advanced boat in eve in terms of training time needed for a sub cap. And you guys are trying to harmonize them all with the same stick, regardless of the unique weapon system and racial plays they have.
What I purpose is to have the goal of the marauders to be “Showing the best the race has to offer, and to shore up any weakness in that method”

With that in mind, I purpose these things:

For the kornos, the bastion mode will NOT root it in place, but rather give it a reduction to MWD cap use and large sig bloom reduction from MWD. The base agility is increased and base mass in decreased, so that it can turn faster and better while MWDing.
This is to enhance the use of blasters, that would mean that a kornos with T2 can be cap stable with either a shield booster / armor rep or a MWD. With bling you should be able to be cap stable with shield booster / armor rep AND a MWD (while still dishing out 1200+ dps at short range). MWD should be on most of the time if not perma on.

For the vargur, the bastion mode will not root it in place, reduce sig radius and give a fall off bonus to projectiles. Coupled with a nice base speed boost, this should emphasize the use of a mobile AC boat for PvE. It would need longer tractor range to 50 KM.
It would be a speedy boat that zips around, while having some nice projection power, and staying alive by reducing incoming damage with a low sig, and thus likely to either pulse MWD or to use an AB for the speed boost. This thing won’t be cap stable with all mods on, but should be able to dps tank + sig tank.

For the Paladin, the bastion mode will REDUCE its maximum speed, but you would get a large buff to resistance (say +30% armor with the nice T2 resists) with no penalty to RR, and a large bonus to optimal. It would become the brick that can go in and survive while staying in and projecting its power out. It would need longer tractor range to 60 KM.
This is to make it the de facto up close and personal tanking and gunning boat, to emphasize the way the empire handles threats. It should be able to easily run 3x large armor rep with a cap booster, or a single one and still be cap stable with guns and no cap booster.

For the Golem, the bastion mode will ROOT it in place, but for that price, the missile speed of CM/Torps should be such that hitting a target within 120 KM will happen long before the missile cycles, also on the hull itself, LMJ should get a large reduction in activation time (similar to how the old bonus suppose to work), also on the hull itself, the ROOM inside launchers should be buffed, so that a CM should be able to hold 50 or more missiles in one go. Reload time is still 10 seconds. Its lock range should be near 120 if not 150 in bastion mode. Make sure to have bastion finish cycle before LMJ is done.
This would mean that the Golem is the premier MWDing CM boat that can push range of 120 with ease and apply that damage in a relatively reliable way. It tanks by outranging anything that can pose a threat to it, and then applying consistent dps without wasting ammo at the enemy. This thing won’t be cap stable unless you slap on a ton of rechargers or CPRs, it is designed to avoid incoming damage by simply being 80KM+ from whatever it is doing damage. The tractor bonus should be 120KM (or match whatever is the intended engagement range for the boat to be)

This is all from a PvE perspective, if they need to be reworked into PvP roles then the scan res needs to be looked at and they CANNOT BE IMMOBILE, and some of all of the above suggestions needs to be scrapped. The key to all this is that each boat is unique and have a different way of fly, the excellence in each race is different from others, having a web bonus on a CM ship is simply a useless function, while it would be massively useful for a blaster ship that gets up close and personal to the target

being able fly the paladin on my main and in a couple months the Vargur as well i love both of these ideas.

Well CCP have gone back to their thinky-corner, so there's not much to do but listen to a lot of other people's even-worse ideas :P

You know what would really be awesome?
Take what you're trying to do with webs (which is a terrible idea because of the limited range of webs on what's supposed to be a longer-ranged platform) and instead give the Marauders a bonus to target painter strength.
Target painting will give a similar damage application bonus to webs and it'll also work at a much wider variety of ranges.

im training up my torpedo skills for golem as i feel like the bastion modules will favor torpedos with bonus range and mjd.

No hull should be the "absolute best" nor should it "shore up any weaknesses" in a hull. Every hull and racial choice should have some give and take.

Overall I find all four of your concepts ridiculously over-powered. Plus I find the whole idea of a moving while deployed battleship to be just a little ridiculous and unappealing.

Plus if you want to talk about training time, Black Ops Battleships are actually worse in terms of overall training time, recommended certificates, and they force you to train a set of very specialized skills where as the prerequisites for Marauders all fall under core ship skills.



I am, in general, fundamentally opposed to anything that's trying to make something "safe enough". Either you're never going to achieve "safe enough", at least for any sort of hostile space, or you're going to end up making something that's over-powered while trying to make it "safe" in the worst common case.

In the end it all has to come down to risk vs reward and on the whole humans are risk averse, even Eve players. Sure, people go into low sec and null sec on their own but they're rarely taking what they feel to be a considerable risk. Either they can easily replace the ship they're flying or they really and truely have a plan for how not to lose it. Generally though this involves avoiding player contact, not jumping through gate-camps and hoping they don't have enough people to kill you in 9 seconds of spool up time.

Also a 3 minute cooldown about one MJD warp per 2-3 gates while traveling. We established earlier that the rough "base time" on a warp jump is 30 seconds, and even a 90 AU warp only adds another thirty seconds to that, plus about ten seconds to jump through the gate and you've got about three more gates before you can use that trick again, and if you're in null you'd better hope that no one has a drag bubble setup on the outgoing gate of the same system.