Player Features and Ideas Discussion

It seems to me (very confusing with 1 correction post in the middle of everything) that the Marauders are loosing their PVE specialization with less tank overall plus slow speed.

Tanking some enemies will be better and others worse, e.g. a Vargur will be tanking Blood/Sansha/Amarr better with the T2 resists, but tanking Angels/Mercenaries a lot worse from the removal of the 7.5% SB bonus pr. level plus slightly worse cap recharge. Tanking Serpentis/Guristas will also become slightly worse... Which seems strange, going from fast well tanked mission beasts, to slow bricks that tank worse against their most common PVE enemies.

But with those enemies they are now weaker against, one could ofcourse fit arties, MJD far away, deploy bastion and slowly pick them off, then MJD back to the next gate.

I don't know... It was nice being able to just fly into the face of the enemies and brawl them at all times, and being quick about transportation. This seems impossible with Bastion mode since there are no bonuses to tank, or what? Is the "100% bonus to shield or armor repair amount" removed, as with the 30% more resistance in bastion?

Why not just assemble and edit info on page 1 along the way so it's clear what the current plan is?



Besides that I'm really looking forward to seeing the animations :)

same way golem with painter and web would suck golem with both of those would be op

Especially after the torp range nerfs... It's much better with cruise now though.
That said, I went in order from drake, raven, RNI, SNI, Golem, traded it for a tengu, then nightmare.
Torpedo golem was the most fun, but you couldn't tank for long cause of cap, took full volley damage by the time you could hit anything due to sig, took forever to lock anything, and that's when you could lock anything.
My nightmare outshines all but the tengu(pre-hml nerf) and does so with instant dps.

Everyone of those ships out tanks the golem as it sits on live because of the cap and sig issues

Well, pve wise I think the bastion will do what it's intended to do..
Most people in marauders don't kite missions anyways.
That said though, I would still much rather see the 30% omni bastion bonus than t2 bonuses

I still like my idea of changing marauder resists to be more balanced.
Look up some and you'll see my long ass suggestion.
However, the balanced resists I suggested is my favorite idea, and fits well with marauders

no, but i bet that there is a tq date set

Actually with Battleships unless you're being shot at by dreadnaughts speed has very little affect on your damage unless you and your opponent are counter-rotating (you're both maximizing the overall transversal) and even then you're both equally hosed. In missions gun platforms generally want to stay still unless they have very high tracking because the damage mitigation against mission rats is fairly low and it's more important to be dealing full DPS.

The various missile boats are an exception because their damage is only affected by enemy velocity not their own movement.



There are certainly other available explanations, though I feel the idea that these modules are suffering from an over-stock that's managed to persist for over a year since their inception only supports my idea more strongly, since for that to occur you'd have to have almost none of the modules being bought and used.



The problem is more that it's flown by a relatively small number of people in one very niche profession, and can arguably be out-done in that professions by other ships.

The problem with just throwing a second Marauder hull into the game and then seeing what gets used the most is that out of N possible options the one that's used the most is likely to be over-powered. Plus any idea would need to go through at least a little balance testing internally, so every version is more work and more data for them to process and their time isn't unlimited.



You can only take full damage from a hit based on sig, you can't take increased damage. Therefore the Golem, with its rep rate bonus, will tank better than even a resist bonused ship.

The caveat to this is that you may not be eliminating incoming DPS fast enough compared to some of those other hulls.

I can't 100% guarantee you though that you are not, in absolute terms, tanking better in a Nightmare than a Golem.

i still think its a legitimate option to make marauders just plain all around better then pirate in all ways.... and i thought of something that would keep myself interested anyway. In addition to their already high skill requirement, could always make them all split weapon systems XD

These changes are making me and my Kronos happy!

I am really liking this idea since it rather neatly gets around the ASB debacle while affecting AARs at least less if not leaving them completely unaffected.

I have a niggling concern over the potential effects when combine with certain deadspace modules but overall I like the idea of a more sustained tank (part of the objective of a mission fit) over ridiculous burst tanking a lot more. Plus it helps against annoying neuting enemies by letting you potentially get more rep cycles off before they clean out your cap again, or even get rep cycles off at all.

I actually considered the use-case where the modules weren't selling simply because the ships weren't dying and I find it highly unrealistic.

Overall local tank gets beaten by Logi and people tend to fly solo ships until they die, plus we've already established that only a fraction of hulls can actually fit a dual ASB tank and those that can only fit a single ASB are at something of a disadvantage in a protracted fight even against a single opponent.

Plus if the modules were really that good and that popular then you'd actually see more of them getting destroyed since it would be ASB fit vs ASB fit, which would increase demand since someone in that fight is going to lose.