Player Features and Ideas Discussion

How on earth does anyone complain about this still? The whole point of the game is not so you can get easy kills. Don't you get that? The cloaking device is meant for scouting (amongst others) and many times that means you will be on-grid at a gate for what can be HOURS. It would be utterly disastrous for them to make you decloak at any point in that time; the entire purpose is to make sure you do not reveal you are scouting that gate!

AFK cloakers are not targets for you to kill. You are not "losing kills" by them being able to AFK cloak. They have sacrificed half their scan resolution and a high slot for this ability. That is the trade-off. You don't get to kill them every X amount of minutes on top of that.

There is not a single sci-fi lore that comes to mind, in any facet, where someone or something within the story was not able to cloak itself or its ship indefinitely. Think about it.

Go on, tell me HOW you know a player is cloaked and AFK in your system.

Then tell me how this is different from a player one system over, or a player about to log into your system.

I never said local wasn't the way a player is seen. I SAID LOCAL IS NOT THE SOLUTION - ITS ANOTHER PROBLEM ENTIRELY.
I don't even dispute that removing local would solve the issue, of course it would.
What I am saying is that LOCAL CANNOT BE CHANGED IN ANY NEAR FUTURE.
Thus, an ALTERNATE SOLUTION IS REQUIRED.

No, there is no solution required.

The only thing we need is balance, and we have that already.

My entire presentation is about maintaining balance. You keep wanting to change things, but not respecting the existing balance.

*slams head into desk*
I'm gonna say it once more time, then I'm leaving this thread.
I HAVE TO TREAT ALL CLOAKERS AS A THREAT REGARDLESS OF ACTIVITY. I DON'T MIND DOING THAT FOR A GUY WHO IS THERE BUT I SHOULDN'T HAVE TO DO IT FOR SOME **** THAT CANT BE BOTHERED TO BE AT HIS DESK.

Now you are clearly ignoring every part of what I say that is making the point and repeatedly saying the same stuff over and over again. This is either because you are tolling or just so self-centered you refuse to look past your own ideas. I'm not going to get dragged into repeating myself to the end of time though. I've said my part, I've said why you are wrong, and that's that. Egotistic pricks like you are what is wrong with this whole community.
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Neutrals and active cloakers aren't generally around 23/7
Anyway, like I said, I'm done with this thread. Literally anything you ask though, I've already answered at least twice in this thread, you guys are going in circles. So just go back, grab a quote from me and use that to answer your repeated questions.

Back to /thread

OK, I'm convinced you are trolling.
AFK players are clearly the 0 effort. I just want players to have to PLAY to disrupt my day.
Now really this is the last post here, cos you are either tolling and succeeding, or really fuckin stupid.

So, they could show up at any moment. And if people in your alliance/coalition are lazy or there is an open pipe, wormhole, etc. they could not show up in the intel channels. So you take necessary precautions to mitigate the risk...because you don't know when they'll show up.

It is pretty much the same argument with AFK cloaking, but instead of showing up, it is becoming active.

You take risk mitigation steps in one case, but insist on CCP resolving the risk in the other.

Do you see the problem with your position?

Hardly, I don't even relate to trolling.

You are so worried about what your neighbor is doing, or not doing, that you feel it should give you a benefit under the right circumstances.
Or, put in familiar terms:
You want the hostile ship to leave / log off if they don't meet your definition of being active.

You must realize this only serves to remove uncertainty, as your uncertainty to their being AFK is the only thing affected on you.

But the probes in this situation don't technically return nothing. The lack of a result is intel in and of itself - and very valuable intel at that. It tells you "hey, this dude is active and moving around". It adds more intel into a system which already has too much intel in the first place. These probes also pose massive issues for numerous "active" playstyles, as we've already mentioned - bombing runs, strategic perches, watching hostile fleet movements, etc. Even if you go to the extreme and say "it takes these probes one hour to find someone", that still puts a hard limit on how long those other activities are possible.

For example I've sat cloaked watching enemies forming up at a tower for more than an hour before, and after a while I couldnt wait any longer and had to run to the bathroom. I came back and they'd warped off. I had missed what direction by incredibly unfortunate timing - these probes would do the same thing. I'd get to the 59 minute mark and have to warp out and back in, and by sheer poor luck they'd be gone. Or worse, they'd be the ones with the probes out and would be doing it specifically because they know it forces me to have to move around. The probe idea is just bad. I'm sorry but it is.