Player Features and Ideas Discussion

Ok, maybe this was not as obvious as I thought it should be.

The system, in order to remain balanced, needs a big change on this level. And big is a relative term, since the change won't affect the majority of players significantly, since they don't even use local for intel like this anyways.

If you simply drop so-called AFK cloaker pilots, you only make null sec safer than it already is.

I am a miner in null, and this would be a disaster. I have to genuinely screw up to even be at RISK, let alone actually lose a ship.
The rare null ices are already in limited belts. And they can blow all the rainbows they like, real players don't waste time on ice they don't need, so the belts get cherry picked by the first time zone to reach them. And belts with remaining ice of any type don't respawn until the next down time.
Go to another belt, you might say. Funny thing, the guys cherry picking heard that advice first, and did just that. Wash - rinse - repeat, like the shampoo bottle says.

Not only is high sec more dangerous for characters under a war dec, it also has better rewards in many cases too. Just listen to the guys promising to abandon null and run to do L4 missions if things actually became as dangerous as null's reputation implies.

But then, if you don't mine, you probably never paid attention to these changes.


Easy kills?

From a pilot leaving his client up 36 hours, and planning events at least two days in advance, you get a description of EASY??

Yes, clearly easy and effort mean different things to you.

Quite simple. Cloaking a ships should require a TREMENDOUS amount of energy. So why does cloading in eve consume no capacitor... and in fact allow the ship to REGAIN capacitor while cloaked...

So a solution...

Zero cap regen while cloaked
2% of total cap sapped per minute cloaked

This is idiotic, as it absolutely destroys the "active" use of cloaked ships. Bombing runs? Ruined. Scouting? Ruined (warping costs cap, and your idea annihilates cap). Setting up strategic warp in points? Ruined. Wormhole space? Ruined. Reconnaissance? Ruined. Uncertainty and risk in nullsec? Removed entirely. Economy? Ruined as a result of the previous ruined aspects of the game.

It's so tiring to see these "i want to remove all uncertainty and risk for myself, and have a massively imbalanced, one sided i-win mechanic" in these threads. They can type up ten thousand words trying to hide their intent, but it's rather obvious that they want to trash the game so they can live in their own personal instance.

Play another game, or at least go to highsec. Null is not for you if you freak out over a single other person being in system with you

Don't inflate it. You don't "waste time" while you AFK cloak. If the player had to sit their then it would be deserved, but they don't
All they have to do is a quick dscan and maybe warp a couple of times when they are at their PC. No targets? back to AFK.
When a target is seen, the relay that to their fleet and if they chose to engage, they engage. It's not what I would consider effort.

Oh OK. So you get an AFK cloaker, while the owners of the space have to set up bubbles on every gate, scouts in adjacent system (which have to be manned) and remain aligned to bookmarks. That sounds SUPER fair. Perfect balance.

Yes, because 9 times out of 10 the neutral is coming in to go sit cloaked somewhere. What's the point in chasing after someone you can;t catch, wasting all your time chasing? If a neut comes in in a combat ship, ready to fight I'm happy to oblige, but I'm not going to waste hours of my time chasing a covops or waiting for it to think it can take me, when it could really have just gone AFK. At least with the removal of AFK cloak, I'm more likely to remain as I know the target is active and wants to fight.

So you actually fall back to insulting those that have a different opinion to you because he is making valid points.

And Lucas is absolutely right, it takes a lot of effort to ensure you can use your system to make some ISK while there is some downtime in PVP, in my case about 3 ACTIVE pilots are needed just as scouts and an additional 3-4 ACTIVE pilots as fast response (not a necessity, but its good to have).

However 1 AFK pilot who may or may not be sleeping, playing another game, real life working, etc. throws all that effort that ACTIVE players make into a realm of uncertainty.

I'm not saying Null should be uncertainty free, but you should be able to reap the rewards of your efforts to protect your systems and your comrades, that reward being the ability to confidently make some money without a target on your back, thanks to the protection that ACTIVE players are providing.

That's the biggest thing I am against though, the cloaked ship presents a THREAT and while that ship is cloaked, that threat is invulnerable. Its not something you can defend against.

And you guys complain when I started to say "break cloaks tm"

We are on a loop that goes over and over the same topics and neither side is willing to bend in any ways.

So break cloaks asap please.



The solution does not ruin anything it just changes the way YOU would need to play the game. Mayby it is time that you should learn to play in a different way.

But anyways it's not the one person in a nullsec system that get people worried... it's the problem that you can't kill him even if you wanted to and in my opinion this is something you just don't get. Well actualy I know a way... CCP said 4 years ago that we cannot use it.

Because of how local works, a few well placed scouts, intel channels, bubbles, and smart game play nerfing cloaks reduces uncertainty. This is really pretty simple. This would largely reduce null PvP to consensual PvP.



Sure you can kill him...as soon as he decloaks an engages. Until then you can't attack him, he can't attack you. Balance.

Well I don't realy see a problem with that. PVPers get what you have been building up for year and this is why most of the pvp in this game is consensual or suicides these days.

If you realy want something else then major changes needs to be made in to the game mechanics and at that point claoking is the smallest problem. And I still stand behind my words. The solution "that guy whos name I can't see anymore when im typing" presented does not ruin anything. It just makes pvper and cloak lovers alter their gamestyle. Also it shows how narrow minded some of the people in this gameare . If the cloaking devices are changed they will also effect industrialists who use them for cover which means more targets will apear as they also need to change their tactics how to avoid pvp.

Are you being deliberately obtuse? Where have I written anything like that at all? I dare you to find a single quote from me that supports this kind of nonsense.



1. An AFK cyno ship is nothing to fear as a ship with an AFK pilot/player cannot activate said cyno.
2. Even if the player does come back to keyboard, it does not undermine scouts or defense fleets...it makes them even more important.
3. Look at my kill board dude, I've engaged in many, many sov fleets...for quite a bit longer than you've been in game.
4. A ship with a cyno and a cloak can be countered, ways to counter it have been explicated in this very thread.
5. Dude, I removed one sentence, stop whining about distorting your posts when I quoted well over 90% of it.



Technically it is a collection of the horrible ideas on how to "fix" a symptom of a larger problem. Azrael knows what the larger problem is, but is just being a contrarian.

If cloaking devices are changed in the way I've suggested, they'd only affect an industrialist if he chose to sit on the same grid for 10 minutes cloaked, while there were hostiles in local with scanning equipment. Changes don't have to completely remove the ability to cloak, it just needs to make it take effort to sit on a system for 2 days.