Player Features and Ideas Discussion

I'm actually working on my own version of a proposal for fun.

When it's suitably thought out I'll post it for the wolves to chew apart.

Overall this is a rather prickly issue since you have people on the one side who want the Marauders for pure PvP and don't give a flying crap about their PvE usability.

On the other you have the people who have actually trained to use these ships already and use them extensively in PvE and probably don't care very much about their PvP viability.

There's a third and somewhat smaller group who really care equally about both but I would say from the posting trends that more or less everyone is leaning one way or the other, generally to a large degree.

The PvP people were the ones who jumped all over the first proposal for not being friendly enough to their interests. They really want to keep the web bonus because it essentially makes these hulls immune to frigates and very good against cruisers.

On the flip side the PvE people hate the second proposed version and don't want the web bonus, especially on the Vargur and Golem.

Throughout the mix we have people who want a number of ridiculous things like cloak-bonused Marauders and massive damage bonuses on Bastion. Not to mention the various people who think Bastion is an awesome idea, a horrible idea, or belongs on an entirely new ship class...

Personally I think Bastion is a pretty cool idea but I don't think it should be mandatory. I'm against web velocity bonuses in general because after running the numbers I find them to be hilariously over-powered against small targets even compared to regular webs, and I'd like to find a solution that at least makes the PvE and PvP sides marginally less angry, if not actually happy (this is Eve Features and Ideas Discussion after all, happy is something you hope for not something you expect) though I don't think Bastion is going to be something both of them get equal use out of no matter what.

The Bastion Modul is awesome, but no Ship should be forced to use a specific Modul to be usefull... (maybe Stealth Bombers are the only exception...) but anyway, Marauder should use Bastion as possibility not as a must have.

Fair enough assessment, and as a Minmatar pilot I grief the loss of the hull's tanking bonus for webs on the Vargur. Anyways nice going back n forth a little with you, I'm done throwing my 2c around for now o/

so what? 72 pages w/o updated by CCP

I think your right, but i cant proof it because i lack of experience with SB's.

Anyway, my Point is CCP made a mistake creating Ship Bonus for Moduls, in my opinion Moduls should change if fitted in the right Ship, it could free some Moduls from their Super specific usage, Open more possibilitys in niche Situations.

Sure it would create some horrific rebalancing but it would change Eve in a good Way.

true enough.
I'm happy to wait till November for the next iteration, but the discussion would benefit from a dev update, even just to confirm the concept a little.

just saying its 72 pages ppl keep posting same ideas or same whines if CCP would at least give some guidelines like we want to achieve that but we absolutely dont want this people would start focus on something and maybe give better ideas.

Even Stealth Bombers don't 100% rely on the cloak. If you want a ship that's 100% built around a module look at Dreadnaughts (and then look at the current problems with Capital Ship utility and balance and weep softly for the people who have to fix it)



More like the more time they have to spend reading the forums looking at feedback



In before Fozzie, Rise, or Ytterbium post an NSA "we're watching youuuu" GIF and then disappear for another week. (obviously to meditate in a Buddhist Monastery toward perfect game balance)

Seriously though, a little appreciation for the devs. They're working on it. Good game design takes time, bad game design takes no time at all. When we don't hear from them for a while we should take it as a sign that things more productive than reading through 50+ pages of our bickering are happening.

Admittedly making lunch is probably a more productive use of time after about the 5th page but you can't balance the game on an empty stomach

Two things i would love to see added
Allow use of covert op BS jump bridge. So a Covert op scout BS can call in his Marauder Buddies. Even if it has a hour cool down.
I have never used a jump bridge but i think it would be great reason to pvp with it. Can it work ???

The other is a 200% dam when hitting target over BS size so carrier's and POS size objects. I don't see that effecting mission dps or BS on BS fights.

The though of a group of Marauder being jumped into a system by a stealth BS and able to cause all hell on field with MJD.
I think with those 2 changes if will give it a powerful PVP reason to fly it with out making it OP or useless in PVE with the way they are now.

He wants to avoid running gates with his pimped Marauder in null-sec, obviously. And BlackOps don't have the punch and tank of Marauders.