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Eram Fidard
Doomheim
#1 - 2013-09-09 17:56:25 UTC
I'd like some clarification on the recent TOS changes in regards to impersonation of entities.

My questions are:

What qualifications do you use to define an entity?

In what way are players allowed to misrepresent themselves?

Can we misrepresent services, our intentions, or our history?

Will recourse be taken against those who misrepresent themselves at any time?
For example: Player joins Alliance with good intentions, Player helps Alliance, Player later decides to rob Alliance. Is player 'bannable' for impersonating a leadership role after they have stopped performing that role?

An extreme example: A CEO who does not perform his duties, but claims to have a well-run corp, invites Player to join. Player finds CEO has misrepresented himself and his corp. Does Player have petitionable recourse?



These are the 'low-hanging fruit' questions I wish would be addressed. Of course, a proper explanation in the form of a Dev Blog or real dev response (read: not form letter) would be much appreciated.

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KuroVolt
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#2 - 2013-09-09 17:57:02 UTC
Awww yeah, topic nr 4.

its gonna be a busy night at EVE-O.

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Doc Fury
Furious Enterprises
#3 - 2013-09-09 17:57:33 UTC
The GM response in the other thread wasn't enough?


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Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe
#4 - 2013-09-09 17:57:40 UTC
Eram Fidard wrote:
I'd like some clarification on the recent TOS changes in regards to impersonation of entities.

My questions are:

What qualifications do you use to define an entity?

In what way are players allowed to misrepresent themselves?

Can we misrepresent services, our intentions, or our history?

Will recourse be taken against those who misrepresent themselves at any time?
For example: Player joins Alliance with good intentions, Player helps Alliance, Player later decides to rob Alliance. Is player 'bannable' for impersonating a leadership role after they have stopped performing that role?

An extreme example: A CEO who does not perform his duties, but claims to have a well-run corp, invites Player to join. Player finds CEO has misrepresented himself and his corp. Does Player have petitionable recourse?


These are the 'low-hanging fruit' questions I wish would be addressed. Of course, a proper explanation in the form of a Dev Blog or real dev response (read: not form letter) would be much appreciated.

Spam all the petitions. That's always the way to go.

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Mallak Azaria
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#5 - 2013-09-09 17:58:33 UTC
Doc Fury wrote:
The GM response in the other thread wasn't enough?




It didn't address the concerns in question, so no.

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Malcolm Shinhwa
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#6 - 2013-09-09 17:59:21 UTC
Doc Fury wrote:
The GM response in the other thread wasn't enough?




No. It completely bypassed the actual question. Why is CFC recognized and protected and New Order not?

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Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe
#7 - 2013-09-09 18:00:02 UTC
Mallak Azaria wrote:
Doc Fury wrote:
The GM response in the other thread wasn't enough?

It didn't address the concerns in question, so no.

Who cares about that.

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Tron 3K
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#8 - 2013-09-09 18:00:09 UTC
Malcolm Shinhwa wrote:
Doc Fury wrote:
The GM response in the other thread wasn't enough?




No. It completely bypassed the actual question. Why is CFC recognized and protected and New Order not?

I recommend everyone to work for the CFC and not the New Order!
La Nariz
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#9 - 2013-09-09 18:00:35 UTC
Doc Fury wrote:
The GM response in the other thread wasn't enough?




nope

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Eram Fidard
Doomheim
#10 - 2013-09-09 18:01:05 UTC
Doc Fury wrote:
The GM response in the other thread wasn't enough?





Perhaps you could link the answers to my questions, then?

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handbanana
State War Academy
Caldari State
#11 - 2013-09-09 18:01:25 UTC
Malcolm Shinhwa wrote:
Doc Fury wrote:
The GM response in the other thread wasn't enough?




No. It completely bypassed the actual question. Why is CFC recognized and protected and New Order not?



Because fork you guys, that's why.

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Mallak Azaria
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#12 - 2013-09-09 18:02:04 UTC
Alavaria Fera wrote:
Mallak Azaria wrote:
Doc Fury wrote:
The GM response in the other thread wasn't enough?

It didn't address the concerns in question, so no.

Who cares about that.


Certainly not CCP.

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Doc Fury
Furious Enterprises
#13 - 2013-09-09 18:03:46 UTC
Eram Fidard wrote:
Doc Fury wrote:
The GM response in the other thread wasn't enough?





Perhaps you could link the answers to my questions, then?



I'll take sarcasm for 200 Alex.

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KuroVolt
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#14 - 2013-09-09 18:04:35 UTC
handbanana wrote:

Because fork you guys, that's why.



Watch your mouth!

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Lady Areola Fappington
#15 - 2013-09-09 18:04:36 UTC
Doc Fury wrote:
The GM response in the other thread wasn't enough?





You seem reasonable, I'll break it down for you.

I resurrect my hypothetical alt, Dr. Fury. You are now impersonating me.

I resurrect my hypothetical coalition, Furious Enterprise Coalition. I find a friendly GM who declares your corp "not a group" YOu are now impersonating a group of people.

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Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe
#16 - 2013-09-09 18:05:25 UTC
Mallak Azaria wrote:
Alavaria Fera wrote:
Mallak Azaria wrote:
Doc Fury wrote:
The GM response in the other thread wasn't enough?

It didn't address the concerns in question, so no.

Who cares about that.

Certainly not CCP.

Who cares about anyone else? It just takes one random gms decision to overturn everything.

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Eram Fidard
Doomheim
#17 - 2013-09-09 18:06:58 UTC  |  Edited by: Eram Fidard
Doc Fury wrote:
Eram Fidard wrote:
Doc Fury wrote:
The GM response in the other thread wasn't enough?





Perhaps you could link the answers to my questions, then?



I'll take sarcasm for 200 Alex.



How do you know my name?

Also, the name of the category is "An Album Cover"

(stay on topic please)

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Malcolm Shinhwa
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#18 - 2013-09-09 18:06:58 UTC
The peasants are revolting!

[i]"The purpose of fighting is to win. There is no possible victory in defense. The sword is more important than the shield and skill is more important than either. The final weapon is the brain. All else is supplemental[/i]."
Mallak Azaria
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#19 - 2013-09-09 18:08:07 UTC
Alavaria Fera wrote:
Mallak Azaria wrote:
Alavaria Fera wrote:
Mallak Azaria wrote:
Doc Fury wrote:
The GM response in the other thread wasn't enough?

It didn't address the concerns in question, so no.

Who cares about that.

Certainly not CCP.

Who cares about anyone else? It just takes one random gms decision to overturn everything.


That's why I want to sponsor him in to Goonwaffe. Think of what we could accomplish?

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Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe
#20 - 2013-09-09 18:11:18 UTC
Mallak Azaria wrote:
Alavaria Fera wrote:
Mallak Azaria wrote:
Alavaria Fera wrote:
Mallak Azaria wrote:

It didn't address the concerns in question, so no.

Who cares about that.

Certainly not CCP.

Who cares about anyone else? It just takes one random gms decision to overturn everything.

That's why I want to sponsor him in to Goonwaffe. Think of what we could accomplish?

Well can we get 401k disbanded, they have nothing to do with the retirement plan

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