Player Features and Ideas Discussion

Primary use currently yes, which is a result of the Triumvirate of Terribad- L4 runners being terribad, the ships being terribad and L4s being terribad.

Making marauders better can't cure L4 runners or the missions and it's clear that straightforward buffs won't make marauders worse for L4s (it might force L4 runners to rethink, refit and adapt, which seems to be a major issue) but it can expand their use to other areas, and possibly even encourage L4 runners to something else for a change.

As it's been said numerous times, any T1 ship can run L4s efficiently- they should not be used as a yardstick for high performance ships. I'm personally eyeing marauders in PVE context as the default option for C3/4s and L5s, as well as plexing. The rationale behind is this- if you can solo content more efficiently than T3s with the same price tag, it's worth the risk, and if you can solo content where a carrier is viable, it's certainly less risky to use a battleship.

In case of solo or small gang PVE in wormholes, mass is pretty much irrelevant. Leaving out running home sites, jumping a couple of battleships with scouts and Noctis thru a C3/4 several times doesn't close the hole, and you'll close it on purpose anyway after it's done. For wh PVP mass remains a consideration, and naturally marauders won't replace T3s as the rank & file ship, but if the rebalancing succeeds they might have a special role in fleets.

Subcaps are not supposed to outperform capitals in tank/dps, smaller hulls just have other advantages.

Ideally rebalancing makes marauders better for demanding PVE, and viable for some areas of PVP. I seriously doubt succeeding in these would make them worse for L4s.

As some other people already proposed, a good solution could be "scripts". Let's call them something like "Deployment Reconfiguration Protocol" (so Sci-fy and people against name dumbing can be happy). A pair of scripts should be enough.

As concept:

Marauders (1st edition + T2 resist)

• No Reconfiguration: sort of bastion first edition,however the bouns repair amount is lowered by 37.5%
• "Ship of the Line" Reconfiguration: Lose EW immunity, some resists and local repair bonus, can be remote assisted (incursion/fleet stand)
• "Ironclad" Reconfiguration: No resists (or repair, it should a defense penalty) gain little damage bonus/application and extended EW range.

They would need a lot more of work regard balance but that's the idea.

As many,many people have proposed. Far to many for it to go unrepresented ,or at least acknowledged in the next iteration

The sad part would be that probably none of the proposers really believe it is a solution as much as a damage control....

Well, each has come with a selection of their own game breaking tweaks, but generally people seem somewhat positive about bastion( barring those who consider it a death scentance(can't spell, don't judge)) but having the mod scripted has been mentioned at least every other page of this thread, usually with the notion of allowing a choice between iterations. (Iv been lurking here for days) . Whatever they comeback with it should at the verry least send some portions of the community into blind hilarious hysteria,and at best be rather interesting.

Another Problem is that the Community is splitted, some prefer balanced ships without to much weird but Fun tweaks others like more crazy and fresh mechanics over boring equality.

CCP cant satisfy both but they could use ships that are mostly unused for some "Tests".

Even the Bastion Marauders suck, they will be used because People like exotic stuff.

if only there were a mechanism in place that could do such a thing.

first:
no such thing as a PVE or a PVP ship, only PVE and PVP fits
all ships can PVP just as well as they can PVE with exception to a few very broken cases (such as the eagle i mentioned earlier
due to hybrids not being a well thought weapon)

second:
If people are making your life miserable in eve, it's because you allow them the opportunity to do so, they have just as much right
to steal stuff you left in space as you had to leave it there - defend your claim (yes ccp - not allowing peeps to defend stuff is a
borked mechanic, much like high sec fleet aggression)

third:

by adhering to the status quo and taking a spirit level to all the hulls ccp is discouraging creative ship fittings, forcing each hull to
adhere to a single standard or doctrine, encouraging cookie cutters and discouraging creative tactics, with every ship you 'level
out' your game will become an ever more stagnant place, I say this again, stop ignoring the human thought element when
designing and proposing your changes, people choose the easiest most efficient way to achieve a result and will not deviate from
their accepted standard until they are forced to (usually by being shot out of space by someone better than they are)

not only are you spoon feeding them your easiest result by forcing hulls into a single role with one good fitting idea, you're
removing the ability to effectively retro fit ships to do anything but this one thing, if you realise this and still chose to do this
anyway, then shame on you and your game, if not...wake up.

The only thing i can see as an improvement is the Increases all large missile max velocity by 25%


I am already using precision cruise missiles i really don't see the benefit of this bastion module ?

It looks to me as if Marauders going to be an expensive PvP tool?

Just a guess:
a) CCP could create a new line of Bs. PvP Specialised with web bonus.

b) On the other hand CCP could improve the Tank of Black Ops and give them web bonuses (or warp disruption bonuses). I play EvE now for more than two years and from my experience this are less used ships at the moment. It could be an advantage for Black Ops ships () which have no meaning in PvE.


This change may not be a welcome gift for the Marauder communitie (especially in Highsec). PvP is a big part of EvE but why transforming PvE in PvP? Please be more creative.