Player Features and Ideas Discussion

No large nullsec entity is going to use them. Make a fleet doctrine comprising of 1bil isk+ ships? No way. Capitals don't count because they can't be volleyed barring a DD. Active tanking in large fleets is absolutely pointless.

All I see for these things now is station ornaments. It gives "ewar immunity" but you're essentially pointed and 100% webbed while it's active. It's going to get neuted out immediately and then attempt to apply it's overwhelmingly subpar dps. It's still going to struggle to hit cruisers and below. I can see it now, fleet of 4 caracals kill marauder because it can't tank or hit them.

This is such a monumental waste of man power for CCP. You're producing a crap ship that has no advantages over ships that already exist. Who in their right mind would buy one of these instead of a mach or a vindi or nightmare? At least with those you can do high sec incursions and make more isk than you do doing plexes/anoms/level 4's.

with the new mineral changes etc.. etc... blah blah blah the difference between t1 to navy is almost begging the user to go with a navy ship for a small isk investment into it compared to the regular t1 (this is barring the navy raven/scorp ofcourse since they seem to just keep going higher and higher but then again i don't use missiles in PVP.)

Correct me if I'm wrong, since it's been a while since I've done missions, but last I checked you don't need a 1000dps tank to solo L4 missions. The few places you do need a greater tank than that are meant to be run by multiple people/accounts anyways. Likewise, T1 resists are more than adequate to run the ships respective racial missions without issue. This truly isn't as big of an issue as many people are making it out to be. After all, remote repping isn't the only reason resist bonuses were nerfed recently. ;)

3-400 omni tank with 1k DPS can clear any mission without warping, unless you are stupid with it

How to rebalance marauders, Wizz style ^^

Version 1

Role: specialized to work under "unsafe" conditions. Can do stuff in PvE due to damage application bonuses.

Role bonus:
100% to damage
25% damage absorbed by overheating modules
25% reduction to nanite paste consumption while repairing modules
20% bonus to modules repair speed while using nanite paste

Racial BS skill bonuses (both indirect damage application of primary weapon system)
+7.5% expl radius
+7.5% expl velocity
or
+7.5% tracking speed to respective turret type
+5% faloff and optimal

Marauders skill bonuses
+7.5% primary tanking type boost amount
+5% bonus to overheated module primary effect *
*Non-overheated AB gives for example 200m/s, overheated 250, overheated with Marauders5 200+(250-200)*(1+0.05*5) = 262.5

Fits into: survivability in hostile space. Requires a careful selection of what to overheat and when thus requires high piloting skills. t2 resist profile and repair bonus, making it imba sustainable tank, but intentionally left prone to alpha

CCP, tell me u just didn't said u have not enough imagination ^^

I think you need to say it a little louder, nobody seems to see the implications of this. Especially since you're now out-tanking almost every subcap PVE ship with all of their bling, with just a single module.

I'm pretty shure that's why this thread has Soo much interest

Depends on the ship and the weapon systems. The greater the ship's innate ability to tank the more you can focus on other things like damage application and projection and the less tank you actually have to bring. Being able to perma-tank a mission is quite a nice luxury if you can't lower incoming DPS fast enough. Plus it's pretty fun watching ~1k of mission DPS splash off your tank with no red showing.

For reference if you fail to bring down incoming DPS there are Level 4 missions that do 1k DPS, give or take a little.

As for Level 5 missions, yes those are meant to be run by multiple people, however people figured out ages ago how to run them solo in a few select fits so they haven't really been serious multi-person content for years.



Yup, about half my point is the loss of the tank bonus sucks for everyone currently missioning in one of these.

As for the whole warfare links idea, no. Having warfare links randomly not apply partly to a single ship class is unintuitive and bad balancing. If the ship needs such a specific nerf to remain "balanced" it probably isn't balanced for any situation where the enemy doesn't have that advantage.

For reference some warfare links don't affect capital ships in certain ways. If you asked the average player which ones I'd bet most of them would get it wrong

As for what I was actually talking about when I said it would likely be OP, I mean that for most people to view them as cost effective they would have to be almost guaranteed to win or otherwise come back with their ship intact about five out of six times compared to a fifty fifty shot on a T1 Battleship, since that's about how much these hulls cost compared to a T1 Battleship.

Since this would essentially require these hulls to be 2-3 times better than a T1 battleship and I don't see that happening I don't think those people are going to be satisfied. Most of them seem to want Battleship sized HACs anyway, and that would be power-creep of the worst sort. The only reason the existing HACs lived through their rebalance is because they had enough history and existing uses that they couldn't justify completely changing them.

I've pointed it out before, but the skill requirements completely rule Marauders out as a possible large-scale fleet doctrine. It doesn't matter how strong they're made, you simply will never get enough pilots to fly even a 100-man fleet of them.

Lets say you want to make a Vargur fleet. According to eveboard, 14% of active players have Marauders trained and 19.3% are Minmatar pilots. That means, in a 10000 man alliance, you only have 270 potential Vargur pilots. Some of them will not have T2 large guns trained, so they're out. Of the maybe 200 potentials left, you now have to get enough of them to log on at once, join a fleet, and actually be able to afford a Marauder.

Quite simply, it will never ever work, no matter how overpowered the ship happens to be.

You don't need a 100 man fleet of them, you just need a core of players trained into and flying them. Doesn't even need T2 large guns.

If you make something OP enough you will see people train for it. Yeah it'll take them one to two months to roll out the first fleets but they can definitely afford it and if it means winning pilots will train them.

I would also like to point out that Eve Board is only tracking a small fraction of pilots in the game. We know there are around 500,000 active accounts in the game and looking at data from the last published Quarterly Economic Report shows that there are around 2 characters per account. This means that Eve Board is tracking only around 7.8% of active pilots, and since it doesn't represent a random sampling (you have to volunteer to give it your character data) it's probably not a statistically valid source anyway, meaning the actual proportion of people able to fly Marauders or close to doing so could be much higher or lower.