Player Features and Ideas Discussion

I would love a T2 battleship that could y'know battle.

This aint it though.

You can't go by the EFT volley damage tho - the formula allows for upto 1.49x (don't think 1.5x is actually possible but could be wrong) damage for normal shots and a moros wrecking shot could be almost 200K volley and a decently fit moros will be doing an average of about 70k raw alpha ignoring resists against a stationary target - even one could potentially get enough lucky shots to push through the tank unless the EHP is really massive and 2-3 almost definitely will against all but the most extreme tanked sub-caps - even taking bastion into account.

This unfortunate state of affairs is called Democracy. It's outlawed in most parts of the world, for good reason!



You need to define what is it. Currently a marauder is a T2 ship that deliberately can't battle. You're suggesting you want to change the purpose of the ship class.

I don't disagree that T2 brawling battleships might be interesting, but PVE marauders are probably not a good place to start.

Thats the problem with this thread - you essentially have different camps something like:

-Those that want a T2 PVP battleship
-Those that want an actual marauder with PVE and PVP application
-Those that want a highsec PVE monster

To be honest, when I read the first version of the bonuses and the bastion module I had one thought. Flexibility.

With that combination you could go light tanked, load up on damage application and projection mods, jump out 100K, bastion, and rain death on your enemies. And once they regrouped, you jump away and do it all over again. What fun!

or

You could way over tank it with limited damage application and MJD right into the middle of a nasty furball, spewing close range hell while your enemies ran for cover. You probably couldn't kill any of them, but they would likely want to relocate. This of course would all begin with the time honored battle shout:

"Hey! Hold my beer and watch this!!!"

Both of these roles could be had with the original version of the proposal. I would give anything to have an occasion to scream that phrase above, even to the annoyance of my real life neighbors. lol

The vargur already have that tracking bonus :P


What i Think is that ALL the web bonsu shoudl be come another DAMAGE bonus. YEs DAMAGE, there is nothting so strange on T2 battleships taht enter in a type of siege mode, to have higher damage than T1 battleships.


Even if the damage bonus only applies while in bastion mode.

For example 5% damage per level WHILE in bastion mode.

That is helpful for BOTH PVE and PVP. Woudl make the ship better at BOTH situations, sicne killing enemies faster is the best tank you can have in missions, you would be LOVED in wormholes and incursiosn (if you are tough enough to tank it) and you would be amazing high sec POS killer.

Its not that handy for immobile blaster boats. Most fights happen in null range which is not in web range.

easy... 5% rof then...

You know, you would have a point if CCP hadn't said they wanted to give the ship some pvP application. Which is good, because mauraders overall are "meh" on the PvE side of things, if you must PvE the pirate ships do it better.

The only reason to fly them is if you are a salvager that can't be arsed to get your noctis or if you want to save ammo, currently.

So like I said, toss this ghetto dread module that other than making it a fail ship serves no purpose and look at what works.

.....what works are the pirate battleships.

That being said

1) Keep the current role bonuses (i.e. 100% damage for turrets and active tank) and real T2 resists
2) Add application; tracking and optimal for amarr/gallente, falloff for matar, explosion velocity for caldari
3) Generous damage bonuses, and none of this 5% crap 7.5 at least, 10% better (I know power creep, damn right the ships aren't worth the isk currently)
4) web bonus? I like it....a lot, but I PvP first and carebear only so much as I need to fund my other endeavors.
5) tractor bonus? ...is meh... could be made to work, I'll get into that is a sec

After that, tinker with fitting, buffer, speed and agility to give each race a bit of flavor

Make the Vargur operate like a mach without to dronebay, but with a web bonus. Its a Pest model, pest are fast, people like fast battleships. ROLL WITH THAT
Make the Kronos a T2 Vindi, no one would mind, the one I would leave at 5% damage, but with an optimal bonus that makes it a mean blaster boat, and rails love optimal....so less damage more buffer, maybe a bit slower
Paladin, roll the cap bonus, we hate cap bonuses, they suck. Apoc with a huge buffer and a web bonus. ******* CRUCIAL I would fly that all day and all night.
Golem, ugh missiles. C'mon raven with a tank, make it a bit slower but something to be feared if you either a) fit the rigs to get some range on torps b) cruise missiles.


I'd say add the tractor/4 turret/tractor/web as a role bonus.

Simply because if you really want the ship dual purposed, you will NEVER be using all of the bonuses, ever. Make the build price around the current value of the Pirate BSs (rattler excluded that thing has issues).

Bingo you have a T2 battleship that people would actually buy, right now there is no real reason other than the novely of the bastar....bastion module that would make anyone intterested in it. rooting myself in place goes against ALL of my eve related instincts, as much as relying on an MJD to be up when I need it does.

Marauders have plenty of damage, Damage application bonuses are much better served for there function.