Player Features and Ideas Discussion

this might sound silly but can we get a web range bonus also while you are in bastion mode? maybe 200% range ?

That timer isn't likely to go away, otherwise the only use these ships will see is in Incursions (since they ruined them for anything else by demanding a web bonus) and station games.

We don't need a ship that excels at station games.

No, it's not that bad to work around, but it still leaves the ships with less distinction for having to do so. We're talking about ships that are slower, have weaker sensor strength, lower HP, more mass, less drone flexibility and less DPS than damage focused pirate ships.

The kronos will be the poster child of obsolete any time you want your ship to move. The Paladin's resists mean that for faction specific tanking it gains nothing. And while it's easily made up for, that means you are essentially trading any tank advantage over a nightmare.

Choose the right hull is also a dumb thing to say as it basically is like saying the Paladin shouldn't be used for solo PvE, and we all know the amarr need fewer decent PvE ships. Right?

Awwww :(

That would have been the ultimate blueball maneuver. I was so looking forward to doing it.

I would personally like both tested. +1

In the end I think you need to fold some of the bonus into the Bastion Module, and make 2 versions

One version for brawling, the other for Range, and let both be fit like a dual prop where only one can be active. Immobile while either module is active.

Range version:
Much like the current version, Increase range (+50%) and add damage (+20), + 300% range of tractors (remove from hull bonus) keep EWAR immunity and lighter than original proposal tank. Can deactivate for -100percent range de-buff for 30-60 seconds, cannot recieve RR like original. Tank bonus should be something like +50 percent repper or +20% hp, +10% resist profile. The damage and range +EWAR immunity is the reason to use, plus the ability to turn off. Drawback is severely decreased range for a de-buff if you deactivate or when the cycle ends. Turning the module back on removes de-buff. Cannot activate more than once every 60 seconds.

Brawling version:
Increases tracking (30%) and Rate of Fire (20%), add web bonus of 75% increased velocity factor (not on hull), keep EWAR immunity and have the original proposal tank. Cannot deactivate this module for duration or receive RR like original proposal. Draw of this module is highly increased damage potential + huge tank with the inability for targets to run from you. Drawback is your stuck in place for 60 seconds and can be bumped out of alignment and nueted.

Make the module the star, or people won't use them.

I really like the painter bonus on the Golem, but I personally feel it should go by by for an explosion radius buff. Also, don't make these ships easier to lock down than the current ships. They are battleships, you don't need to nerf the speed or align times so severely if the module locks you into place for 60 seconds.

I am have been pretty ok with most of the balance changes, and I have every confidence you will give us something cool to fly, but I just want to make sure that the concept is cohesive, fun and worth using in multiple situations as the original proposal is unique. 2 separate bastion modules would go a long way to help this.

is this basically you saying "yeah we haven't got a clue what we want marauders to do, but we've got plenty of time to flip a coin on it"?

CCP Ytterbium maybe You can prepare few versions of them (at least 3) then show to public so everyone can say something about what's cool in this idea, and what about this, and what's bad, maybe some cool combinations etc.

Deploy mode?
That sure is a double- edged sword^^

Because you are stuck and can't do anything to run away while the 60 second timer is running
Sure, you have a better tank and better range, but you aren't able to move and an easy target for anyone who wants to gank you and pve ships tend to have VERY expensive fits and are thus a popular target for gankers

So a ganker has easy work with the Golem because:

1) not moving and large target--> receives pretty much full damage

2) PVE tank (PVE tanks ALWAYS suck at PVP and vice versa)

3) High alpha strike ships as the Maelstrom or the tornado can tear it apart before concord arrives (most missionrunners are in 0.5 space for the best rewards--> plenty time for the kill till concord arrives)

4) Cannot escape and even if the timer runs out just when the gankers arrive, you are in a battleship, it needs time to align and speed up for warp

5) While they gank you, the dps from the rats doesn't just disappear, it adds to the dps of the ganker(s)

6) Nobody can help you (important in pvp), so I doubt it's gonna be used in fleet battles as it'd be a suicide button (no help from logistics, remember?)


You sure can use it if you are somewhere in highsec where aren't many people or deep within your alliance's territory, but always consider that you are risking a ship that costs with fit between 1 and 3 billion ISK, depending on how rich/crazy you are

What I don't get is why don't you answer the central question people are asking. What role should the marauder fulfill within tiericide? What features do you want to focus on? Once this is clear we can work/discuss together on the best compromise. And maybe you could tackle some questions, e.g. why the paladin gets the stupid resist pattern for its own limited damage pattern with lasers. That would be very helpful, thx

The changes to the resist profiles seem fair and offset the loss of 30% across in bastion mode for a bit more flexibility.
The stasis webifier bonus in exchange for the local repair bonus?Beyond the fact that neither bonus is directly related in their role....the only ships that remotely gain from this are the exact ships that currently have them. The Golem and Vargur are getting shorted in this respect. Why not give them racial weapons specific bonuses to damage application rather than stasis web bonuses. How about a sensor strength/scan resolution bonus instead if you are not inclined to put damage based bonuses. That would both make the ships viable PVP platforms if you added that to these changes minus the web bonuses. Also how about an additional 10% tractor range and velocity to offset the base speed nerf for the solo PVE mission people.