Player Features and Ideas Discussion

its PVP GAME!!!

What you want is IRRELEVANT regarding that. Sure you can try to balance ships for PVE, but not at the cost of makign them USELES for PVP

The first iteration was more interesting, more inovative. Webs und everything is just, making marauders more boring. I vote for 30% resis and rep.

And that is exaclty what we are asking. THe mini siege , MJD and range bonus is in NO way pratical with web streght bonus, unless you add some web range bonus.



Change that web bonus into an extra damage bonus and the ship gets focused and logical.

PvP takes so many shapes and forms in Eve-O that your point is pretty moot.

Regardless, I can find many better ships to go pew-pew'ing in that the proposed Marauder.

Thinking about that, PvE appears to require a mixture of mobility, longrange damage-application and sustained tank. It should be well possible to achieve those traits given the tools as they stand right there.
Also want to mention that even with those latest changes, Marauders still won't be contested as c4-blitzers and quite viable to run highclass DEDs. Imo their L4 performance is way less important compared to the specific capabilities in incursions/null/whs, and over there they just rock on a different level with the still remaining defenses, factoring in the bastionthingytransformermoduleTM.

As a positive sideeffect, the highslotallocation can be used not only for tractors/salvagers, but also for highgrade utility.

The Tractorrange should be well enough for most situations, if anything, add a salvagemodule-cycletime reduction to round up the traits.

I wouldn't see any issues with having a twosided rolemodifier, as in MJD cooldown/bastionuse for pvp, and tractorrange/salvagecycles for the relics of pve.

Edit: Lots of contradiction (longrange/webbonus/bastion at all/tractorboni) make for a wonderful, not allt o specialised platform leaving out a lot of playstyle to the way you fit. Me like.

Looking forward to updates!

dafuq? what am i supposed to do with the web bonus on my Golem?

Right now i use the webs with Kronos and Paladin, especially the Kronos because of rails.
But i can not see much use on the Golem. And as i understand the Bastion Mode till now it wants me to jump away, go to bastion and fight long range.
So why the hell would i want a web?

Even if you resist on giving web bonus... i want a range bonus so i really can use the web!

But to be honest for me this change is even more bad than the whole change itself.
I really expected something usefull for me as mission runner and this is not!
Of course i will give it a try but as someone who has and uses all 4 marauders i am extremely disappointed, really was expecting something else.

When i want to do some pvp there are so many other ships (also the new balanced BS), that i would never use a marauder... they are for missioning, at least till now.

Sssooo they have all kinds of bonuses to make them work better at range and be better at getting to that range...

...and a web bonus that can only be applied if you're at short range. Dafuq is with the scattershot bonuses?

this is funny as hell.

for years gallente pilots have griped about having the rep bonus vs the amarr resist bonus. (not taking sides, just pointing out).

now, atleast for marauder pilots, that has been fixed. i pointed out in my other post that the tank just skyrocketed and folks are griping because they dont get rep bonuses.

ok, so u can heal 39% better.
with these resists, you take less damage than you would have needed to rep in the first place. therefore, your point is moot.
its even to the point of being silly because when cap runs out with normal resists, you get smoked. now, atleast you can keep resisting and taking less damage than normal. you will even be able to get away if needed and not be scattered all over space because you wouldnt have to rep as much and you would still have cap.

an easy tank on the paladin as i pointed out, is 161k omni in your worst resist (thermal). 225k in your best. thats armor..i dont look at EHP. EHP takes into account hull and shield. i care less about shields and i dont fight in hull. i am going to tank my armor as best as i can and fight there. with these changes, we gain tons of points in our armor...means we can stay longer and kick more butt.

as pointed out, we could tank angel extravaganza all day. imagine that, on stock resists.
what do we do with the other 7 low slots?

these resists are a good thing. being an amarr ship lover and embrasing everything resistance based, these are a blessing.
my sac tanks like a beast and now we have a bs that can do better due to bastion mode and having tons more armor to
start with?
whats the problem? we have t2 resistance people! we need less tank for the same effect. THEN we pimp it with bastion mode and have god like tank.
t2 resists, double repping in bastion mode, 1 LAR II and 1 LAAR together means they will have a helluva time breakin your tank.
1 LAAR give more than double rep anyway, now you are going to double that in beast mode.

wow.

Mining Barges and Industrials are even more useless for PVP :O
Better get rid of them immedietly

I think adding an all new gameplay style is a good thing. I find PVE to be pretty boring, so adding combat time choices like mjd/bastion mode is a welcome change from the mindless [cookie cutter fit vs rat] -> [target] -> [f1] -> goto 0. My Navy Geddon already does that pretty well.

That being said I like the original bastion mode better... it was truly a Stand and Deliver kind of option. Good for many but not all roles with room to imagine new devilry. Now its more of a "sniper with one foot nailed to the floor" mode, with fewer interesting fit tradeoffs.

Meh.

p.s. can we have a drone focussed one of these? Yes, I'm a Homeworld 2 freak looking for more drone action.