Player Features and Ideas Discussion

imo ccp has lost their way with marauders.

I give up.

heh i think you did your quote wrong cause i never said that

The big irritation is that the T2 resist profiles of Amarr and Minmatar ships are much more generally useful than those of the Caldari and Gallente. In particular, the Minmatar ones are so good that matching them on a Caldari ship requires using an extra module - Minmatar T2 shield ships effectively get a mid slot and its fitting space for free.

EDIT: From the prespective of PVP and w-space, where omnitanks are the rule.

So, I think I've collected my thoughts and those of some other people into something approaching the issues with the current proposal:



The 30% resists was great for mission runners, T2 resists not so much because it's only a buff against specific rat types for Minmattar and Amarr and a buff against basically everything else for Caldari and Gallente. The T2 resists are great for incursion runners and Wormhole PvE as well as PvP. I'm somewhat concerned that these could be OP in such situations but I fully defer to CCP on this. They have fleet-fight in a can, and more game log data than I can count where as I have EFT and graph paper.

The mission runners thing is a bit of a problem though for a ship that was originally focused on mission running and now, with the resist changes and the removal of the repair bonus is, well, not so much so anymore.

Don't get me wrong I think the repairs are OP when combined with Bastion repairs but overall this is a debuff to mission tank for two of these ships and a weird sort of trade-off for the other two that leaves a bad taste in my mouth (I mission against Angels and my Kronos is now not so good at that).

Proposed Change: Have Bastion work like a sort of Reactive Armor Hardener but for both shields and armor. Instead of just adding resists though it drops your resists by 30% and then adds 20% back. This 20% can then be shifted around like on a Reactive Hardener to match incoming damage but shifts much more quickly to make up for the resists drop. This is a little off the wall but I think it'd be basically a flat buff to mission runners and might have niche uses in PvP as well.

This has several advantages. It means you don't have worry so much about mission specific hardeners, especially in missions like World's Collide where you can be facing two radically different damage types and it lets the Marauders benefit from their T2 resists in missions where they otherwise would not.

The purpose of the resists drop is because I don't want to be responsible for a Paladin with 98% Explosive resists and a hold full of Cap Boosters neuting out three Nagalfars while they pound away at it doing low triple digit hits. (BTW this is probably also a concern for 30% resists buffed Bastion, just less of one)



Overall, I don't mind seeing the repair bonus go as long as it's replaced with something that fits with the rest of the ship. The web-bonus I am not so fond of though, as I've stated before. In this instance though I'm even less fond because it doesn't fit with the range-bonused nature of Bastion.

I'm fine with the idea of jumping into the middle of a swarm of rats, hitting Bastion, and webbing and killing things. This sounds like great fun and lets me exercise my powerful tank, and half the point of a powerful tank should be getting to enjoy it. Some may disagree but I find watching thousands of damage slide harmlessly off in a mission or Incursion very satisfying and even relaxing.

The problem here is that the web bonus doesn't help at all at range, it seems mostly a buff to the ship for incursions and PvP where the T2 resists are already a massive boon and does nothing on rats that are just outside of web range.

I also have a rather large problem with the Golem which is now the ultimate support ship for Dread-Blapping with a bonus to both webs and target painters along with amazing anti-Moros tank it's in a better position than the Loki, Rapier, or Huginn to support this tactic.

Possible Solutions: Basically this comes down to either change Bastion to synergize with the bonus or change the bonus to synergize with Bastion. Right now the ranges on this ship are a little eclectic. 10-14km webs, 48km Tractor Beams, 100km MJD, and a 25% bonus to weapon ranges.

A web-range bonus would synergize rather well here but still leaves the Golem as Dread-Blap support and steps on the Bhaalgorn a bit.

A tracking bonus would be pretty cool, though two ships already have those and the Golem has a missile equivalent. Not sure if CCP wants to delve into the realm of double-tracking bonused Battleships as that might be ridiculous, again I trust their ability to test this over my own.

Lastly the range bonus on Bastion could be changed to tracking or even turret sig-res if you want to be off the wall. Again though, might be a bit silly for damage application against small targets.



Yeah, between the bumping potential and the WHs this wasn't going to last. No other comments here.

So he has... I'm not used to the resist profiles being posted, so I had assumed he hadn't.

I definitely agree to some extent. The MJD and Bastion mode work well together allowing to deploy and shoot at long range. The webs are completely the opposite being close. Don't get me wrong the bonus is still huge and will be awesome against frigs, but still feels conceptually off.

Sorry CCP Ytterbium, any support for this new concept for the marauders has left and is doubtful that it will come back.

I doubt it would live long against multiple dreads tbh even a single one can put hurt on it - BS sig + low speeds/stationary even with a lot of EHP will go down very fast - ignoring lock times a single decently fit moros can put over 1m points of damage on it within a minute and the alpha can be quite savage I've seen a 300k EHP raven (C5 pulsar + max siege links) vaporised by the alpha from 2 revelations.

What if they were allowed to move while in bastion, but not able to activate any propulsion mod?

Shouldn't the 5% capacitor per level bonus on the Paladin be rolled into the hull, since it is on Amarr Battleship, a skill that is required at level 5 to fly the ship?

This was done to the Vagabond with its 5% per level speed bonus on Minmatar Cruiser.