Player Features and Ideas Discussion

Dropping the 10x mass was very sensible. That was abusble in all kinds of ways, as was the 3x tank bastion effects - particularly on golems and vargurs.

T2 resists simply solves everyone's problem over survivability in all roles. That makes sense. removing the rep bonus is a consequence of that. You just can't have both (except on a HAC )

The marauder as it stands is now better at hisec PVE, can survive wormhole and incursions with sufficient DPS to be useful and just about has a chance of getting through a nullsec gate without being blown to bits or trapped.

Whereas before it could not crawl back to gate while tanking, now it can. Then it can jump through, MJD the f*ck out of there and warp the f*ck off.

I'm happy to see the forums working - I might even train for marauders now :-)

in the first iteration bonus was 100% in bastion + the 37.5 on the hull. Now it is 100% only in bastion as the hull bonus was removed. The current ships look more compelling than the proposed changes.

Demonstrating why you are in no position to comment on web bonuses on a blaster hull....

Why do you claim that it's tank has been reduced by a third? It now has T2 resistances. Resistances contribute to local tank just like local rep bonuses.

That's just simple mathematics.

i believe he edited the OP

Golem in an Amarr mission now is going to fare much worse than before. Since its racial resists are kin/therm, it'll now suffer in EM and Explo-heavy missions.

Except that the ability to tank outside of Bastion went down and some people still wanted them to be useful for that.

The problem with T2 resists for a mission ship over the 30% resists is that it's only useful against specific rats and what rats its useful against varies wildly depending on what you got.

The vast majority of NPCs deal either Kinetic or Thermal as their primary damage type and every NPC type has Kinetic or Thermal as either its primary or secondary damage type.

This means that the Golem, with its mixed Kin/Therm T2 resist buff gets the largest effective bonus to tank followed by the Kronus with heavy Kinetic resists and a moderate Thermal increase. The Vargur and Paladin on the other hand, despite now having excellent resist profiles for omni-tanking PvP or Incursions are now only gaining a resists advantage against their enemy's pirate faction rats and their opponent's navy. Plus they're now dealing the wrong damage for that enemy type, though this affects the damage-locked Amarr more than the Minmattar who can still swap to EMP or Proton and only lose a bit of damage on the inherent kinetic of Projectiles.

I'm not really sorry to see the repair bonus go, but only as long as it was replaced with something that's still useful in Bastion. A Web-Velocity bonus is not terribly useful in Bastion.

I'll deal with all three of you at once:






Here it is fellas:

Amarr T1 Resists: Thermal: 35% EM: 50%

Amarr T2 Resists: Thermal: 35% EM: 50%

Guess what type of damage Amarr mission runners tank. Go on, guess.

Tech II resists are almost completely worthless in Amarr space. They increase our tank against NPC Minnies and Angels, neither of which should be engaged because they are hyper tanked against our EM/Therm lasers.

So, when I say that these changes nerf my tank by 37.5%, it's because that's exactly what it does.

EDIT: And Cade beat me to it. Again.

A small suggestion for the Paladin:

Swap the cap bonus with the damage bonus. That way all the marauders have their damage bonus on the battleship skill.

The resists are nice by themselves, but depending on the incoming damage type this is a nerf or a buff with local tank.. I don't really mind that, but it makes the use of the bastion module itself less compelling. The original post allowed for more risk more gain which is what this game is all about right?

and again the web bonus doesnt fit with the current iteration of the bastion module.