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Increasing Corporate Standing
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Atlas Askiras
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
#1 - 2013-09-01 06:23:43 UTC
I'm in my first few days of the game and I have a question that I can't seem to find an answer to through Googling or Rookie Help chatting.

I'm interested in running missions, but I am confused about the process of increasing my corporate standing so that level two missions will become available to me. Currently, each time I complete a mission for an agent in the corporation I am trying to improve my standing with, I get just a 0.01 improvement in standing. Somebody told me it should typically only take about 15-20 missions to gain access to the next level, which makes me think I must be doing something wrong. I trained my Social skill up to level three but I am still getting just 0.01 per completion. After my 16th mission I was given a storyline mission, but I was a bit frustrated that it took me awhile to complete and still only increased my standing by 0.04 (from 0.28 to 0.32).

I've traveled to every other available high sec level one mining agent for the corporation but they all just repeat the same four or so missions. I understand that more difficult missions offer bigger standing increases. I'm just not sure how I'm supposed to get them if I need a higher standing before I increase my mission level but I need an increased mission level before I get adequately difficult missions. I don't mind grinding, but something doesn't seem right about having to do the same four missions 100 times for each level increase. What am I missing?
Thomas Builder
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#2 - 2013-09-01 06:43:13 UTC
Hmm .. maybe mining missions just don't give much standing increases (haven't done any of those). 0.01 is very low.

Lvl 1 security missions usually give between 0.03 and 0.05 standing, while lvl 2 security missions give between 0.05 and 0.1, depending on the missions. Lvl 3 missions can give up to 0.35. [1]

Also, if you train Connections to level 3, you will only have to do a single lvl 1 mission, as that skill boost your standing to 1.2 as soon as you have a standing better than 0.

[1] The description above isn't fully accurate, but an OK approximation for new players. Actually, missions do not give absolute standing increases, but relative ones. E.g. Blockade lvl 3 gives a 3.5% increase, that is, you will move 3.5% closer to 10.0. When your standing is 0.0, this becomes an 0.35 increase. But when your standing is 5.0, it will only be a 0.175 increase. This becomes important when you try to reach very high standings, e.g. 8.0 for jump clones.
Elena Thiesant
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#3 - 2013-09-01 09:43:45 UTC
Thomas Builder wrote:
Hmm .. maybe mining missions just don't give much standing increases (haven't done any of those). 0.01 is very low.


They don't, and distribution missions are also incredibly low standings increase. They are usually quick to do though.
Atlas Askiras
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
#4 - 2013-09-01 17:43:10 UTC
So 0.01 per completion of mining and distribution missions is a normal rate, right?

I expected it to be relatively low, but I want to make sure that it's supposed to be this low and I'm not wasting my time by doing something wrong. I was just concerned because a requirement to do the same missions 100 times before you can get any tougher missions seemed to contradict what I had read online about missions and agents. I was also confused after I trained my Social skill but it made no difference to the standing increases I was getting.

Thanks for the advice. Looks like Connections and Mining Connections will help me out.
Elena Thiesant
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#5 - 2013-09-01 18:11:08 UTC  |  Edited by: Elena Thiesant
Mining missions are crap ISK and crap standings at L1 (and L2, and L3). Rather run security missions, faster to get standing, better ISK, less mind-numbingly boring.

Anything you were reading about agents and missions likely meant security missions.
Atlas Askiras
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
#6 - 2013-09-01 18:11:31 UTC
I just completed a security mission to see if it was any better. Same thing; I went from 0.32 to 0.33.

What am I doing wrong?
Elena Thiesant
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#7 - 2013-09-01 18:14:36 UTC  |  Edited by: Elena Thiesant
Nothing. Not all missions are created equal. Quicker missions = lower ISK and lower standings gains. Longer missions will be better.

Train connections. Train for a cruiser. Move up to L2 missions.
MadMuppet
Critical Mass Inc
#8 - 2013-09-03 18:16:37 UTC  |  Edited by: MadMuppet
As stated before, the best missions to increase your standings are secuirty missions. Yes will you get an increase during Distribution missions and Mining Missions, but it is lower (Distribution missions require almost no skill whatsoever and Mining missions are mostly just 'run off the clock' type things (although as a miner the rats can be a bit hectic when you are new).

There are some social skills that you will want to look at that only take a very short time to train but will save you some headaches:

Social - Each level of this gives you a 5% bonus to your standing increase for faction, corp, and agent on each mission.

Negotiation - (requires Social level 1) give you 5% per level additional pay for each mission. (for less that two hours of training will give you 10% more mission payout at level 2, it is worth it)

Connections - (require Social level 3) -(EDIT) - see modified posts below.

Note that Social level 3 does take half a day to train.

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Atlas Askiras
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
#9 - 2013-09-03 21:14:42 UTC
Thank you all for your help. I have a much better understanding now.
Thomas Builder
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#10 - 2013-09-03 21:44:02 UTC
MadMuppet wrote:
Connections - (require Social level 3) - 4% modifier to you standings for NPC corps and factions. So at level 1, you would get a 4% modification to your standings. If your standing was at 1.0, then you would effectively have a standing of 1.04... level 3 (less than 3 hours of training) is a 12% modification. So if you needed a level 2 standing of 1.0 you actually only need to get your standing to 0.9 and the standing would become 1.008... close enough to move on.
Except that you are completely wrong.

Connections give a 4% modifier per level, true. But that means that you'll be 4% closer to 10.0.
So, if your standing was 0.9, with Connection I, your effective standing will be 10.0 - ((10.0 - 0.9) * (1 - 0.04)) = 1.264.
With Connection III, if your standing is 0.01, your effective standing will be 10.0 - ((10.0 - 0.01) * (1 - 0.12)) = 1.209.
(This is what I meant with: "you will only have to do a single lvl 1 mission.")
With Connection V, you only need a standing of 1.25 to get your effective standing to 3.0, enough for lvl 3 missions.

Basically, having Connections is equivalent to starting your standing grind at 0.4*level instead of 0.0. So with Connections III, you start your standing grind at 1.2. (This is the simplified version for those that are afraid of maths.)
MadMuppet
Critical Mass Inc
#11 - 2013-09-04 12:46:35 UTC
Thomas Builder wrote:
MadMuppet wrote:
Connections - (require Social level 3) - 4% modifier to you standings for NPC corps and factions. So at level 1, you would get a 4% modification to your standings. If your standing was at 1.0, then you would effectively have a standing of 1.04... level 3 (less than 3 hours of training) is a 12% modification. So if you needed a level 2 standing of 1.0 you actually only need to get your standing to 0.9 and the standing would become 1.008... close enough to move on.
Except that you are completely wrong.

Connections give a 4% modifier per level, true. But that means that you'll be 4% closer to 10.0.
So, if your standing was 0.9, with Connection I, your effective standing will be 10.0 - ((10.0 - 0.9) * (1 - 0.04)) = 1.264.
With Connection III, if your standing is 0.01, your effective standing will be 10.0 - ((10.0 - 0.01) * (1 - 0.12)) = 1.209.
(This is what I meant with: "you will only have to do a single lvl 1 mission.")
With Connection V, you only need a standing of 1.25 to get your effective standing to 3.0, enough for lvl 3 missions.

Basically, having Connections is equivalent to starting your standing grind at 0.4*level instead of 0.0. So with Connections III, you start your standing grind at 1.2. (This is the simplified version for those that are afraid of maths.)


OK, I can admit I am wrong. Sorry for the misinformation.

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Tau Cabalander
Retirement Retreat
Working Stiffs
#12 - 2013-09-10 01:19:57 UTC  |  Edited by: Tau Cabalander
This is why you want to train Connections 3 ASAP:

Connections 0: base standing = 0.01
Connections 1: effective standing = 0.4096
Connections 2: effective standing = 0.8092
Connections 3: effective standing = 1.2088 *\o/* You can do Level 2 missions
Connections 4: effective standing = 1.6084
Connections 5: effective standing = 2.0080

Connections greatly affects low standing, but its benefit decreases as your standing increases.

You should never have to suffer through grinding many level 1 missions, unless your standing is below 0.

Also a good read: https://wiki.eveonline.com/en/wiki/Faction_Standing_Repair_Plan