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Janos Minitaur

Reisende des Schwarzschild Grenze

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#21 - 2013-09-02 11:10:07 UTC

Anti ganking method for freighter pilots conveying high value cargo :

- use preferably providence freighter for more armor points.
- have a full slave implant set plugged.
- have a fleet booster for armor resistances and remote armor boosting (until now legion was the best but after Odyssey 1.1, Command Ships will be better... again)

(on a side side note : ark + fleet booster + slave set = more than 1.000.000 EHP, just for those whining about jump freighters being too weak)

- have a few (2-3) self-sufficient-capacitor logistics around (Oneiros are excellent but Guardians are ok too)

Total = 3-4 pilots to counter the 15-20 attackers and save you freighter.

In fact, the presence of the logistics will dissuade attackers to engage : they ain't stupid...

So, no need to complain about freighter ganking 40 pages long : just use a better method to play the game...

Infinity Ziona

Sebiestor Tribe

Minmatar Republic

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#22 - 2013-09-02 11:10:28 UTC

Peter Raptor wrote:

The answer is sooooooo simple; while multi BILLION isk freighter is getting bumped by typhoon as time is bought waiting for catalysts, freighter pilot logs off and disappears within 60 sec.

Only if hes on autopilot is the freighter vulnerable, but no one ever autopilots expensive cargo freighters....I hope....

if you shoot him once his ships not going anywhere for 15 minutes.

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Kaalrus pwned..... :)

Tarn Kugisa

Kugisa Dynamics

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#23 - 2013-09-02 12:24:19 UTC

Janos Minitaur wrote:

except no one has the organization in highsec to pull off something like that, unless it's high-value
most of the freighters I see flying around are in NPC corps and autopiloting

Be polite. Be efficient. Have a plan to troll everyone you meet - KuroVolt

Tivookempireslave

State War Academy

Caldari State

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#24 - 2013-09-02 13:54:29 UTC

Janos Minitaur wrote:

Problem is nobody is shipping extremely high value stuff in freighters, or am I wrong?

When I ship T2 BPO's it's in a nanofitted Prowler with cov ops cloak. Warp to zero and cloak, I'm never visible for more than 0.2 seconds.

Can't beat that.

Janos Minitaur

Reisende des Schwarzschild Grenze

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#25 - 2013-09-02 14:25:08 UTC

Tivookempireslave wrote:

Depends on what you call extremely high value. if above 20 Bil in a freighter you may be true.

For values between 5 Bil and 20 Bil, well... I am a logistics alt, who escorted such freighters very often since one has been ganked...

Prowler are awesome for small cargo, you are true !

Spectatoress

Doomheim

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#26 - 2013-09-02 14:25:25 UTC | Edited by: Spectatoress

Janos Minitaur wrote:

You Sir, have absolutely no clue what you are talking about so please stfu .... but with the usual Zergswarm Goon shitposter you have good company .....

Just some points ....
- Providence has the most hit points of t1-freighter? Back to the books, babblehead.
- Freighter have their HP in the armor so that your funny idea of armor boosting and resistance might help? again, back to the book.
- Using logis to rep a freighter during a gank? Ask someone who has a clue what hes talking about and please delete your char that you dont try to lecture others again. Or simply apply to Zergswarm if not already a braindead forum alt of them as usual.

So, no need to shitpost about freighter ganking 40 pages long(that means you) : just use a better method to play the game... that would a good hint to incompetent player and forumheroes like you.

But the thread is nice .... now the lamers of zergswarm for example might at least point to the proposed rocket science in freighter ganking they often cry about or the badass falcon that ruin all their approaches. Lol

Spectatoress

Doomheim

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#27 - 2013-09-02 14:39:40 UTC | Edited by: Spectatoress

Infinity Ziona wrote:

Peter Raptor wrote:

if you shoot him once his ships not going anywhere for 15 minutes.

You don't even need to shoot them for agression timer and get concorded in return .... its so braindead easy to prevent someone from logging off without shooting its plain absurd ....... and without agression timer.

Janos Minitaur

Reisende des Schwarzschild Grenze

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#28 - 2013-09-02 14:42:10 UTC

Spectatoress wrote:

You Sir, have absolutely no clue what you are talking about so please stfu .... but with the usual Zergswarm Goon shitposter you have good company .....

Just some points ....
- Providence has the most hit points of t1-freighter? Back to the books, babblehead.
- Freighter have their HP in the armor so that your funny idea of armor boosting and resistance might help? again, back to the book.
- Using logis to rep a freighter during a gank? Ask someone who has a clue what hes talking about and please delete your char that you dont try to lecture others again. Or simply apply to Zergswarm if not already a braindead forum alt of them as usual.

So, no need to shitpost about freighter ganking 40 pages long : just use a better method to play the game... that would a good hint to incompetent player and forumheroes like you.

But the thread is nice .... now the lamers of zergswarm for example might at least point to the proposed rocket science in freighter ganking they often cry about. Lol

Thanks for your constructive comment.
1) Providence has the more armor point. You should not care about hit points
2) Fleet booster + slave set don't make freighter invulnerable but very harder to gank
3) since you have a pilot with a slave set + boost, attackers underestimate the total amount of armor points + resists. Thus you have a nice armor buffer, 2 fleeted Oneiros do rep enough per second to make the gank void.
4) Oneiros target the freighter as soon as it decloaks and start transfer when it aligns, discourageing the offeenders to open fire on it.

This is not EFT warrioring or vapor ideas, I'll post one or two pics of a fleet asap

If you think this method is bad, then you would seem to agree that a freighter gank in hisec is impossible to stop, which is not.

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Ammzi Dreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore Likes received: 1,949	#29 - 2013-09-02 14:44:20 UTC 1 Janos is actually quite right. There are many things that can be done to defend a freighter and there are many more things that can be done to remove that defense from the ganker's perspective. I don't cover them because this is the Lite 101 how to gank :3

Spectatoress

Doomheim

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#30 - 2013-09-02 14:50:41 UTC | Edited by: Spectatoress

Ammzi wrote:

Janos is actually quite right.
There are many things that can be done to defend a freighter and there are many more things that can be done to remove that defense from the ganker's perspective.

I don't cover them because this is the Lite 101 how to gank :3

Sure .... much can be done ... down to escorting each freighter with a fleet of 50 bcs + ewar-ships .... but bullshit talking in the forum is much easier, n'est pas? Just in line with ccp. Lol

2 oneiros rep against 18 5xx dps catalysts .... Big smile

.... and the gankfleet wouldnt simply switch targets or go back to brutix/talos ...... Big smile

..... ok, with goon shitposter everything is possible, but as we can see with this thread .... there are not only goons. Pirate

Janos Minitaur

Reisende des Schwarzschild Grenze

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#31 - 2013-09-02 15:06:57 UTC

Spectatoress wrote:

Ammzi wrote:

Sure .... much can be done ... down to escorting each freighter with a fleet of 50 bcs + ewar-ships .... but bullshit talking in the forum is much easier, n'est pas? Just in line with ccp. Lol

2 oneiros rep against 18 5xx dps catalysts .... Big smile

.... and the gankfleet wouldnt simply switch targets or go back to brutix/talos ...... Big smile

..... ok, with goon shitposter everything is possible, but as we can see with this thread .... there are not only goons. Pirate

The catalysts won't last forever : you forget concord kill them.

the total damage is not applied immediatly but over time. while the oneiros rep a few thousands armor hitpoints which is enough to survive. They switch to Talos ? as long as they are able to pilot one... and have one ready. catalyst pilots are not talos pilots... Meanwhile the freighter had armor restored or has docked...

Once more it's not 100% guaranted. but the freighter is q quite tougher target this way, and may not worth the efforts.

Even if the freighter is lost, well it's a game.

You should take a break and relax bro.

Elizabeth Aideron

The Scope

Gallente Federation

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#32 - 2013-09-02 15:07:57 UTC

Spectatoress wrote:

Ammzi wrote:

Sure .... much can be done ... down to escorting each freighter with a fleet of 50 bcs + ewar-ships .... but bullshit talking in the forum is much easier, n'est pas? Just in line with ccp. Lol

2 oneiros rep against 18 5xx dps catalysts .... Big smile

.... and the gankfleet wouldnt simply switch targets or go back to brutix/talos ...... Big smile

..... ok, with goon shitposter everything is possible, but as we can see with this thread .... there are not only goons. Pirate

A handful of Falcons can jam out an entire Catalyst ganking fleet. What would you even need bcs for, except perhaps to instapop the gankers that are already legal targets?

Spectatoress

Doomheim

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#33 - 2013-09-02 15:20:40 UTC | Edited by: Spectatoress

Janos Minitaur wrote:

Even if the freighter is lost, well it's a game.

You should take a break and relax bro.

So you admit talking bs .... thank you.

Yes, its a game ... but according to this forum on this subject one side has to jump through every loop thinkable because its a "high sec pubbie" who has to "harden up" while the "blobber" can attack at will with cheap multiboxed crapships in comparison camping 80% of the time in station waiting for prey and pretend to be "badass pilots" because they have to grind up sec from time to time because jumping multiboxed with -10 chars is a little hairy? Lol

Or like some forum goons put it .... they invested 1+ year Shocked

to train their zerging to "perfection" and now have the right to "easyfarm" these "high sec pubbies" while logged to their highsec-alts doing anything waiting for the ping to log back to the gankfleet ready for attack?

Benny Ohu

Royal Amarr Institute

Amarr Empire

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#34 - 2013-09-02 15:37:38 UTC

Spectatoress wrote:

Janos Minitaur wrote:

Even if the freighter is lost, well it's a game.

You should take a break and relax bro.

So you admit talking bs .... thank you.

Or like some forum goons put it .... they invested 1+ year Shocked

to train their zerging to "perfection" and now have the right to "easyfarm" these "high sec pubbies"?

has anyone solved the Mystery of the Forum Alt Who Only Posts to Complain About Ganking yet?


Spectatoress Doomheim Likes received: 2	#35 - 2013-09-02 15:39:58 UTC \| Edited by: Spectatoress Benny Ohu wrote: has anyone solved the Mystery of the Forum Alt Who Only Posts to Complain About Ganking yet? Oho, Mr. icantread back in action ... continue and entertain me please. Waiting for your buddies you dont leave home without.


Benny Ohu Royal Amarr Institute Amarr Empire Likes received: 4,565	#36 - 2013-09-02 15:47:23 UTC 1 only cool duders can use the smiley your manner and posting ain't that of a cool duder there's another secret smiley that only the coolest and dudeular of cool dudes know but that's top secret can you link your freighter loss, please?

Janos Minitaur

Reisende des Schwarzschild Grenze

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#37 - 2013-09-02 16:26:38 UTC | Edited by: Janos Minitaur

As promised, a few pics. I prefered screenshots to EFT capture for obvious reasons : it's from real gaming

Freighter perspective

From this pic you can observe results from a slave full set + armor implant + fleet boosting on a providence.
- 55,6k armor points
- freighter armor resists above 50%, good KIN/TH resists, which is usefull vs blasters
- freighter shield resists increased : I had room for an extra gang link on my legion

You can also see our fleet composed of 4 oneiros + 1 boosting legion (usually offgrid). In this case we used 4 oneiros due to the expansive cargo : 14+ Bil

Oneiros Details

See : amount of armor points transfered per second : 384hp per 2.92s. that's 530 armor point per second per oneiros with no overload. With 4 Oneiros, 2118 armor points are repaired per second, the whole providence buffer (55,6k armor points) is repaired in 26 seconds. With overload, each oneiros rep 620 armor points per second, 4 oneiros need 22,5 sec to restore the providence armor completly

See the oneiros description : they are tough nuts to crack : indeed, afterburning at 600m/s and repping from far, plus their armor buffer, boosted resists and boosted repairers active, they aren't easy to gank in hisec. It would cost a lot more catalyst to kill one oneiros, furthermore in a web repping network...

Of course, all oneiros are cap stable.

It's real not forum war !

On this pic you can see the 4 oneiros remote repping the providence as soon it has decloaked.

We used this pattern since one of our freighters got ganked by goons a while ago, and never been ganked again

see Spectatoress, it's true.

Now you STFU , you are the one who is bullshiting here

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