Player Features and Ideas Discussion

Marauders are People who get into wardriven villages to burn their houses and steal the treasures befor anyone can react and defend theirselfs "on the fly". In Germany we call it "Brandschatzen" or maybe you know it as pillage.

And yeah the Name really implies fast and hard (cruel) Monsters which the current Form wont conform.

In other Words a new Name would be a nice deal.

Ok, so now you've warped to that C4 site in your ship x. Vargur is in Bastion, two remaining Sleepless Safeguards and the Vargur start locking you up. You are pointed, webbed and neuted by all of them and start receiving about 2000 points of damage per second. Sleeper battleships are too far for you to hit, and you can't even scratch the tank of the Vargur.

Your move next- deaggro, pray to last for one minute without cap so you can eject to avoid SP loss, or just wait for the inevitable explosion?

Good luck.

Any new blue response on this matter yet?

Not quite. along with me will be a devoter, a couple of dps ships, some neuts and a couple of logis. You've done wormholes before, right?

Your move, big man

No, I never fly solo in wormholes - and neither will you more than once in a vargur.

I really wish I could say that thse changes will make marauders viable for solo pve in dangerous space - but they won't.

They need to be re-thought IMHO

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I think this is worth mentioning. People who go looking for trouble in w-space are not like people who enjoy PVE. We think differently. profit is not a motivation - we have plenty of money. We will sit for hours watching someone fiddle about in their POS and prepare for some PVE. We'll watch them closing wormholes, scouting, looking into neighbour wormholes.

We do this while cloaked, while watching all the exits. And then we wait for them to start running sites.

We watch them do it, gauging ship strength and planning a fleet.

Then everyone reships out of system and we all drop in to say hello.

The PVE guy has literally no chance whatsoever. We have all the intel and all the mobility.

I really do want marauders to be viable in this environment - I would like them to have some ability that gives them a chance to evade such a gank. It would be more challenging for me, and more rewarding for the marauder pilot.

I don't mean to lecture, but someone's got to say this...

I completely agree with you.

The biggest reason not to fly expensive (any) ships in solo pve in hostile space is cost.

What if the high cost gave you a chance of evading a gank?

It would be worth the money, wouldn't it?

I understand the logic of reducing exposure through faster termination of NPCs, but it's important to remember that every time you get ganked it's very likely that the other guys' scout followed you in to the anomaly or sig that you're running. He watched you warp off and warped right after you.

ganks don't happen by happy chance.

We work hard to make them happen.

Sure I agree with risk/reward. I am not saying a marauder should get away with it every time but I think skilful marauder pilots should have a reasonable chance to do what the name suggests - maraud. Get in, do damage, loot and pillage, and (because we don't want an OP PVP marauder) evade capture.

I'm actually on the side of the PVE guys here.

I just don't think the bastion will give you what you need or really want.

I think you missed the bit from Ytterbium at the start where this is only supposed to have niche roles in PvP. It is, after all a PvE focused ship at the core of things, and adding a super-tanked Battleship to PvP would likely break quite a few things if there were no restrictions. The Vargur for a start would be able to comfortably fit ~200k DPS omni-buffer rather easily and I don't even want to think what the Paladin would be able to do with a full set of Slave implants.

People seem to be focused on "POS killing" for some weird reason even though there are already multi-person setups that do it better than this does by a large margin.



Because this already came up in discussion with my friends and we actually had to look up that the Jump Portal Generation skill didn't actually do anything for Black Ops Battleships beyond let them make the portal . Those at least use fuel but I wonder how many Black-Ops pilots have that skill trained higher than 1 thinking it did something for them?

Personally I wouldn't complain if they made a new skill for Black Ops portals and just gave everyone level 1 who has any level in Jump Portal Generation now that you mention it.

Also, as I said, TWR is a longer train on-map than Ytterbium's proposed science skill to 4 is on-map.



Faster align time and lock time on the Marauder and the Carrier is more skill intensive. Also if you need to move one system over you don't need to dig up an alt or ping your logistics people :|



This is entirely based on the definition of "Marauder". What you are actually describing is Black-Ops Battleships. If you really have that much of an issue with the definition of a ship name then ask CCP to re-name the ship class. Marauders have never been particularly fast, just fairly tanky, and they certainly don't operate behind enemy lines, they barely operate anywhere near *any* lines except the ones separating wallet ticks.



Evidence suggests that with more supply and demand they'll be below Pirate Battleship prices anyway. Most of the movement in Marauders is through buy orders anyway and even for the Kronos those are at around 800 million where as the Vindicator has buy-orders set at or above 1 billion.

The spike in Kronos prices are almost entirely the work of 2 people who are manipulating the market on the speculation and from all accounts already made a tidy amount from it.