Player Features and Ideas Discussion

Except a Kronos does significantly more dps than the Hype with equal tank, but with significantly better tracking and range, while being immune to rat ewar.

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WARNING - Math Ahead - 8353 DPS TANK

Looks like the proposed changes will make Marauders pretty heavy tankers. In this situation:

• Kronos with
• EOS Boosting Armor with Mindlink
• Standard Exile booster
• Anci + C-Type LAR, Imperial Navy EANM, Dmg Controll II, C-Type Explo Hard
• 2xAug Pump rigs
• All LVL5

A Kronos can tank 8353 non-OH DPS and 10 357 DPS OH.

Proof:

Ah, apparently Ctrl+Click in Firefox (which should be doing just that) was not working. Odd.

Regarding the battles themselves, 2 wings on each side for one, and 2 wings for PL on the other. Not quite the "full fleets" people were talking about but definitely significant.

Two points though, T3s are still cheaper than Marauders, even back then, and between those two battles only 23 T3s died. Somehow I don't think we would be looking at those sorts of numbers for any high value battleship hull across two major fleet fights when they were deployed in those numbers, and I mean that as strategically valuable, not in terms of ISK value.



I actually do "get it".

The Golem ends up with a rather unique problem in that it doesn't have Tracking Computers or Tracking Enhancers to fit that will improve its damage application. If missile ships get damage application mods as Rise has hinted then this changes and you can improve your completion times by favoring damage application and dropping tank mods to compensate for Bastion where you can.

The other ships don't have this problem though and gain the ability to more easily pop Frigates and Cruisers through better damage application which speeds up mission times.

Finally you can reach that 50km gate through two MJD hops, one up at about a 60 degree angle and then another down toward the gate. This may take a little practice to get right but if you hop, start killing from range, and then hop again when finished you should get good completion times and completely avoid the burn time between gates.

Lastly CCP is probably not particularly interested in the ship rebalancing greatly increase the ISK/hour of high sec mission runners, or even site runners. They are trying to differentiate the various hulls so that they all have a role and unique properties to take advantage of, not raise the average wallet tick of Marauder users to 35mil per tick.

Mind posting the full fit, because I'm getting something that's not remotely cap-stable. Also did you take into account the nerf to resists from command links in the 1.1 patch?

(Like, so cap-unstable it would probably be better off buffer fit because it'll be out of cap before the buffer tank would have died)

Sure thing, and yes, I accounted for the boost modifications. I believe I wrote Eos boost.

Here is the fit:

In PVP you are never Cap stable. Obviously if this is getting neuted it's dead, just like any Active Tanking ship. Most likely though, I'll fly it with 1 repper and cap xfers or something smarter than that.

I would dump the point for another cap booster and slap a firework launcher in a high.

Yup, just wanted to make sure. I'm just not sure this is a practical fit. Even without neuts it lasts ~6 minutes, requires an entire extra ship (which likely will have to be on-grid when Winter hits), and costs quite a bit, to put it mildly (pretty sure this is ~4-5 billion without factoring in the Eos and its fit). Also no idea why you didn't do T2 armor rigs.



There's a bit of a difference between "lots of dreads" and lots of any sub-capital. For a start Dreads can be insured for a decent return. Second, Asakai has 43 dreads lost, and the side that lost them seems to have had about 50-60 dreads present during the fight.

This was the largest commitment of caps in Eve history and there were all of 50-60 dreads from one side. Compared to the number of sub-caps that's hardly "lots" and those pilots are almost always going to be more valuable bringing those dreads to the field rather than running around in Marauders. If you can make a case for why this would not be the case then by all means lets hear it.

and yet I could use this marauder in null after shipping it there and make considerably even more? What about wormholes?

Fwiw my golem can do almost 1100 with just cruise missiles alone before drones so I dont think dps is the key issue here... 25% velocity increase sees cruises pulling what. .. 15 - 20 km per second? The main thing that hurts the golem especially is the target painter falloff and lack of a hull bonus to missile explosion radius.

If it were my choice I would swap the flight time bonus for a 20% radius bonus therefore giving the golem 20% radius + 25% explosion velocity + 25% missile velocity at max skills.

How many do you have? Remember just having 200 dread pilots isn't enough, you need 200 dread pilots of a specific racial type if you want to make up a fleet doctrine.

It was a concept fit, to prove that it will be possible to have 10k tank marauders.

I am damn sure that WH folks will take advantage of this. Thwy are tight groups with decent pilots usually. Here comes the marauder fleet concept.

DSpite, have you ever seen solo 10 of 10s being done? Or actually havens and sanctums are kind of tough to do solo. Now you could sit in small haven at the spawn point in your Vargur with 100km rnage and destroy everything with a t2 medium shield booster providing all the tank you need.