Player Features and Ideas Discussion

and look @ the skill time issue to bs

bs is 1 x8 skill

for marauders u need this to 5

marauders itself is x10
energy grid upgrades is another 5 u need @x2
and adv weapon upgr @ 5 is a x6 skill
add another x5 skill

and u have more skill time than for a dread carrier Pirater BS or anything else subcap

for what 1/2 price and nothing else gets near half of it (dps tank projection jump mobility whatever)

actually a carrier is same price 1,5 to1,8x the damge alot more ehp alot more tank alot more logistic options

(all for null sec view)

pirate bs exceed in every point price (vindi is same i think rattler cnr and so on are like 50-66% price) whisch all do better
@ lvl 4s incursions nullsec annos pvp(small gang fleet fights)

and hell yes someone posted a sentry domi that would beat a marauder while bastioned in projection and movement for the price of under 350 mill fittet!

i have done pvp in solo (not good) small scale (1x weekish) fleet scale 3-4 times a week hell i was even in the biggest fights

i have done pve in highsec lowsec npc null in drone sov space in angel sov space in blood space and guristas space over my ~8 years in eve and i cant think of anything that marauder shine in that status other than maybe small gang..for every activity in eve there are cheaper better and more speciallized variants....

but on the other hand it would ruin smallscale because intelchannels would fill with omg a marauder cyno afterwards rest is business as usual-

Here, because I like you guys and EVE Online and because I've done a lot of "marauding" in my day (albeit not in Marauders because they have always been terrible ships for PvP), I'll make a list of desirable attributes for ships that are "meant to operate behind enemy lines for extended periods of time." Maybe you can just pick some of these and roll them into a ship that will actually be useful for something!

- The reduced ammo usage + fitting flexibility that comes from Marauders' existing 4-guns / 7-highs layout

- Mobility-- this goes for speed and agility. If you want to do hit-and-run sort of work, you don't want to be flying a ship that handles like an oil tanker. NOTE: total immobility is even worse than handling like an oil tanker!

- Large cargo holds: when going on long deployments in hostile space, it's nice to have room for plenty of ammo, paste, anchorable bubbles, etc

- Services that can be provided to spacebros: fitting services to swap out burned-out modules, move drones into bays, etc can be invaluable when operating far from the nearest usable station

- Stealth / ability to move about unhindered: whether moving around a solar system discreetly in order to observe hostile movements, traveling through stargates with reduced risk of death, or bypassing gatecamps using a jump drive, enhanced stealthiness is always a perk when operating in someone else's playground

- General flexibility: when you're in the middle of a hostile region it's difficult to switch ships-- you have to work with what you've got on hand. As a result, you want a ship that's useful in a variety of combat scenarios. You don't really need a ship that epitomizes any one thing-- DPS, tracking, tackle range, mobility, etc-- but rather a ship that blends attributes so as to be useful in a variety of situations: it should have decent scan-resolution, good mobility, a flexible engagement envelope that allows it to fight without completely committing itself to a brawl, and it should be able to apply damage to a variety of targets even if it's raw DPS output isn't the greatest. Adaptability is king when you're operating 30 jumps from the nearest dockable station and need a ship that can be useful whenever you choose to log in and whoever you end up flying with. Your proposed Marauders are basically the exact opposite of what I just described.

Here are some suggestions for things you could add specializations for:

- Trade durability for increased mobility over their T1 counterparts

- Role bonuses to the effectiveness of propulsion mods as a mobility augmentation

- Fit 4 guns with damage and tracking bonuses such that they do less DPS than T1 battleships, but with significantly improved tracking (making their turrets perform somewhere between normal BS guns and medium turrets in terms of applied DPS to cruiser and battlecruiser-sized targets, all while reducing rates of ammunition consumption)

- Enhanced drone bay sizes, allowing Marauders to keep spare flights of drones for long deployments

- Superior scan resolution, allowing them lock targets in useful amounts of time without having to fit racks of sensor boosters. Additionally, allows the ships to maintain decent scan res while fitting high-quality cloaks, which are pretty much a prerequisite on slow (IE slower than a frigate) ships that are intended to spend most of their time in hostile space.

- Have large cargoholds plus an additional ammunition bay capable of carrying large amounts of ammo-- net result being that Marauders can set off with enough ammo for a few weeks' worth of sustained operations while still retaining enough free cargo space for lugging along a significant stash of consumables and looting hostile wrecks.

- Secondary bonuses to combat-related utility functions, such as neutralizer range, amount, web range, etc

- Add some kind of out-of-combat-focused fitting services to allow Marauders to function as support ships for operations in hostile space (limit service use to one client ship at a time, perhaps?) (NOTE: IMHO this kind of role should be filled by some new class of ship rather than Marauders, but you could rationalize such a role for this ship I suppose)

- ??

I guess my point is, there are a lot of things you could do with these ships that would make them live up to their descriptions and be useful for PvP, but um, the ideas in the OP are terrible.

Regarding the Bastion module...

Sounds like a terrible idea. Couldn't you just make it so that it can't be done within 2.5km of stations or stargates? You should never have to turn safety off in hisec if you are a law abiding pilot.

you get a bonus for target painter.
for torps (especially) and cruise missiles its pretty much an immediate boost in dps.
you want to change it to passive explosion radius bonus?

That much of a increase is too much, 50-100% would be more then enough.

Extra-damage would be hilariously broken, especially on blaster-boats and would cause Marauders to step all over what seems to be CCP's intended role for Pirate Battleships. Also you can fit enough tracking computers on even the Kronos with these changes that blasters are a credible threat out to some pretty absurd ranges with the Bastion activated.

The web-bonus is a relic of the pre-Nano-Nerf days and probably long over-due to go away. I'll miss it a little but it's kind of hilariously over-powered as bonuses go and causes all sorts of problems in ship balancing between size classes. At a guess it's not long for this world on the Vindicator either.

this looks promising.. looking forward to trying it out,


but, the tractor beam bonus needs to be buff to some degree atleast with the noctis at lvl 5 plus t2 tractor beams you get some 96 km range.. on the marauders you get close to 48, and with the extra range added to the missiles its gonna be even further out the wrecks are for Golem pilots. and also all othere maraduer pilots.

But i can see a good use for them HS pos bash with a good fleet of these.

I dont think so, as you lose all your mobility for the extra dps. Also keep in mind that you are now restricted to only light drones instead of the bigger bandwith that these ships used to have. Some dps compensation would be nice.

Atm: *Phew, could've been actual battleships*

A Vargur can already do that. 2 XL-ASB, 2 Invulns and two T2 resist rigs already gives you over 2000dps tank if you have a damage control. Chuck in a pair of boost amps and that's approaching 4k dps. It's going to be an utter monster with this planned Bastion module, it'll be out tanking Siege/Triage Dread/Carriers but with significantly less buffer.
Golem is even more insane due to extra mids.

ASBs really, really need to be locked to only being allowed a single one fitted. Either that or make the Anciliary Armour reps not be locked down to a single one. The Paladin and Kronos can't even get close to the tank the Vargur and Golem can pull off.