Player Features and Ideas Discussion

why wait for them to get close to kill them with a volley when you can just kill them in one shot on approach? there are very few missions where the web makes sense.

and I love the tractor beam bonus for picking up loot cans to finish the mission.

as for the golem getting a TP bonus, well give us a tracking comp type mod for missiles and then we can talk about getting rid of the TP bonus.

*edit* I suppose I am a bit sad for the loss of the web bonus for incursion fleets, ah well, vindi or bust!

As I suggested earlier, it would be interesting to look at having 2-3 independent modules/scripts. Here's a shot at how it would look. Feel free to tear it apart:

Sniper Module/Script

Survival Bonuses

• Provides 30% shield, armor and hull resistances when activated, which function on the same way than Damage Control modules (not stacking penalized)

Damage Projection

• Extends falloff and optimal of large turrets and target painters by 25%
• Increases all large missile max velocity by 25%
• Increases sensor resolution by 25%
• Increases max targeting range by 25%

When in bastion mode, Marauder is immune to EW but cannot be remote assisted in any way
When in bastion mode, Marauder speed is set to 0 m/s, mass is increased by a factor of 10, cannot warp

What I like about this is it solves some of the inconsistencies of the original module. The range bonus isn't as effective when paired with long range weapon systems as they already easily approach the max targeting range of the hull, especially when using long range T2 ammo. Adding the bonus to max targeting range allows these hulls to take full advantage of the range bonus when in bastion mode.

The sensor resolution bonus is really just flavor and would help target locking speed on warp in and especially if going into bastion mode drops all current targets. From a lore/realism standpoint, it works well to explain why you cannot move once in bastion mode. Any movement would disrupt the delicate nature of the enhanced sensor and targeting systems.

Brawler Module/Script

Survival Bonuses

• Provides 30% shield, armor and hull resistances when activated, which function on the same way than Damage Control modules (not stacking penalized)
• Increases shield and armor repair amount by 100% or
• Increases shield and armor hit points by X% or
• Decreases shield and armor repair cap use by 50% and Increases shield and armor repair amount by 50%
• Periodic ECM multispectrum burst while in bastion mode to reduce incoming damage, annoy anyone in range :)
• Replaces one of the above: Increases cap recharge by 30-50% to ward off nueting

Damage Application

• Increases target painter effectiveness by 50%
• Increases stasis webifier range by 100% or
• Increases stasis webifier effectiveness by 50%

When in bastion mode, Marauder is immune to EW but cannot be remote assisted in any way
When in bastion mode, Marauder speed is set to 0 m/s, mass is increased by a factor of 10, cannot warp

This form of the module or script would make the marauder a fearsome brawler and provide a reason to go into bastion mode if packing short range large weapons. The tanking capabilities are pretty much the same as the original module with some added options on how to implement the rep/buffer bonuses. I don't like the 100% rep amount because they almost force you to fit an ASB or AAR or go home in a pvp situation. If it was part rep and part buffer, this would help with the "alpha issue" as well. I really think this needs a look considering the elimination of remote assistance while in bastion mode.

The main difference is that in the brawler version of the module or script, the ability of the platform to apply its damage is enhanced instead of projection. If I'm going to jump into the middle of a furball and plant roots, I better damn well be able to melt faces before I wake up in the clone vat. This type of style would be amazingly visceral and pretty much awesome although expensive. I chose to boost painters and webifiers as they affect application almost symmetrically for turrets and missiles.

The third module type would center around drones. I don't use drones enough to put together a good bonus set so I'll ask someone with more experience to give it a try. Also, having a third option here really starts looking like a T3 module set so I hesitate to go beyond 2.

I'm looking forward to these changes.
Furthermore, this is just to make marauders unkillable by ganks in highsec.

Could we perhaps have some mass reduction trick on them so we get to use them in WHs? Maybe an extra script for the bastion module which would reduce its mass to manageable level (20-40 mil) while temporarily gimping them (no remote assistance and no regular bastion bonuses)?

I mostly agree, just I think the paladin will have better projection than the nightmare now, also the paladin I think will have more cap and can easily be run in lazy mode (why I love my paladin), but will still do gank mode just fine. I think the optimal bonus is better than tracking for pve at least.

varg vs mach, well I think mach will still out damage and whatnot (zoom zoom!), especially since both already hit the point of why bother diminishing returns on gyros,TCs, and TEs.

vindy vs kronos, kronos gets worse as it is losing drone bay. I already have so many mag stabs and tracking comps, adding another one or two for a bit more tank doesn't do much for me.

I think this change would do fun things for the paladin and golem, and well nothing for the kronos or vargur

I haven't lol'd at an eve thread in a while, but yeah, that last sentence is just about right. The changes are very interesting. Very different. Buuut...

Why on the love of God does EVERYONE want them to be Solo PvP or Fleet Fight specialized!?

Its a PvE / Small(medium) Gang Supporter! God damn it!

Edit: And i am also approving where the balancing lead us as whole, CCP dont let you misslead from some stubborn old/young veterans! Thanks.

This is my first post and seeing how I dislike posting on forums I hope you understand, and take to heart, how upset this makes me. To start this off, I should mention that I only have experience flying the Golem when it comes to Marauders but I have/had good fits with the Raven and the Rokh. Lastly I would like to apologize ahead of time if I offend with my opinions because you are seriously pissing me the [CENSORED] off.

If you want to drag the Marauder class into such a line as to where it is viable for PvP then the reworked bonuses must benefit both PvE and PvP. If the bonuses benefit PvP only then you are effectively [CENSORED]ing on the people who have spent time, thought and ISK into their creations over the years and that is not acceptable... not in the [CENSORED]ing least bit. And remember, time is interchangeable with life so when I say I have spent time doing something, what I really mean is that I spent some of my life doing it... and I don't like the life that I have spent [CENSORED]ing wasted.

So, the proposed bonuses would include a) damage projection, b) increased tank and c) being able to jump in 100km increments. I'll break this down into one line at a time:

-Would Marauders in PvP benefit from damage projection? Yes.
-Would Marauders in PvP benefit from increased tank? Yes.
-Would Marauders in PvP benefit from 100km jumps? Yes.

By "PvE" I mean L4s and I will explain my answers afterward:
-Would Marauders in PvE benefit from damage projection? 99% No, not this way.
-Would Marauders in PvE benefit from increased tank? No.
-Would Marauders in PvE benefit from 100km jumps? No.

An explanation for my answer regarding PvE and damage projection: The only range issue Marauders have is reaching out to NPCs while using anti-ship Tech II ammo. In my case it would be Rage torpedoes. I overcome this by using an afterburner. With this being said, I need every m/s I can get out of my propulsion module and you're [CENSORED]ing with my base velocity... stop it.

An explanation for my answer regarding PvE and increased tank: I can tank any L4 with Tech II modules with little concern. With a few faction modules that little concern ceases to exist. The additional tank is worthless.

An explanation for my answer regarding PvE and 100km jumps: Most L4 NPCs are well within that range as well as most warp gates. Being locked into position also drags out mission times because I would rather have my afterburner on heading to the next NPC or warp gate. I have an additional comment about the Micro Jump Drive but will save that towards the end because with a minor tweak to how it functions I feel it has the capabilities that could benefit both PvE and PvP.

So, as it stands the score is 3:0 in favor of PvP, PvP wins by a landslide and PvE is [CENSORED]ing shat on. Congrats.

With that being said, the proposed idea from the players base referring to synergy between Marauders and frigates through portals doesn't benefit me in the least. If you want that then petition for a new ship. There is a neglected whore called a Rokh that could use some groping so let the developers suck, [CENSORED] and fondle that hull all they want but leave my Golem out of this.

Now for my opinion about the Bastion module bonuses:
-Resist bonuses? Don't need them.

-Increased local repair bonuses? Don't need them.

-Falloff and optimal bonuses? Not applicable.

-Missile velocity bonus? Not enough range gained for Rage, my current range is 38km. With bonus it would increase to 48km. Why would anyone using cruise missiles care? They already fly into the triple digits anyways. So, Don't need it.

-EWAR immunity? How about this, RAISE THE [CENSORED]ING SENSOR STRENGTH! Raise it to where a Tech II battleship should be. That suggestion has been thrown at developers for quite a while now, the Golem even has it's weak sensor strength mentioned in it's [CENSORED]ing description.

-Weapons timer? You mean to tell me that if I decide to use this abomination of a module on the last wave of NPCs to finish the mission that I will have to warp to my station only to [CENSORED]ing sit there and stare at it because I can't dock? You've got to be [CENSORED]ing [CENSORED]ing me!

-Weapon safeties? If it's being investigated then why even [CENSORED]ing mention it? Really? A multi-billion ISK ship is now capable of accidentally being CONCORDED? Stop... just [CENSORED]ing stop.

-No fuel for possible salvage space? Do you even play this [CENSORED]ing game? Seriously? This is the same circumstance as the sensor strength comment. People have been screaming that the Noctis makes salvaging the entire mission almost worth it and that this tractor/salvager combo is outdated.

-Physics IV? ...

-Energy Grid Upgrades V? A;lkdfjg;slgj;shlkjhadamnit!

Bonus bonuses... oh joy...
-Drone Bay reduction? You let me keep two fleets of small drones, well thank you for that small mercy. My medium drones were rarely used anyways except for the rare instance that a cruiser jammed me.

-Target Painters? Well you did half of what we needed. The other half was increasing the damn hull bonus so Golem pilots didn't need three painters. This is the biggest joke yet. If you wanted to free up a mid slot for something then increase painter bonus to reduce the required amount of painters to two. And don't tell me that we don't need three. If you made such an ignorant [CENSORED]ing comment about webifiers not being useful against frigates then whatever else you have to say about gameplay doesn't mean anything. With three painters I usually one shot cruisers, with two painters it takes two to three volleys. Since most L4s are smothered in cruisers... I'll let you [CENSORED]ing figure out the rest. (Part II Below)

I like this ccp. But how about if we one up it to include a teir 2 t2 battleship using the tier 3 hull. But with 5 or 6 turret/launcher slots.

I think concept is fantastic, i mean transforming ships etc.


But yeah it's still no good for PVE and PVP to justify their price and training time.

All of them still have too weak sensors.

Golem problems are torpedoes (they suck currently, no one will choose them when we have awesome cruise missiles), and that target painting thing...

Kronos could be sentry platform.

Salvaging bonus should be buffed 2-3times or changed.

Without at least 30% damage bonus Bastion is not useful:
- lvl4s? Most important gank and speed so machariel, nightmare, RNI
- incursions? gank, ewar bonuses so pirate battleships
- pvp? sitting in place, cant aplly damage in time cause your target will use speed and warp off

I think all that brick bastion thing have no place, maybe only WHs, but that neuts... and no one want to bring thousands of cap boosters into wh... In bastion they wont tank incursions, no need more tank for missions, not enough for pvp.

Give bastion big damage bonus, thats the most important.

And do something with MJD so marauders can choose jump distance