Player Features and Ideas Discussion

blah blah blah, all this is useless, tanking is not the issue with marauders, its DPS application and projection, sure having super tanked ships is nice, but no matter how much tank I can drop, offensive modules will not make up for it, the idea of PVE is to maximize efficiency by killing as fast as possible.

Adding more tank will not help at all, not to mention in missions for example most of time you have to fly to mid range gates and such, so the mjd is useless.

On the golem side for the love of god, change the bonus from target painting to missile exp radius, you can EFT it or try it on the server, you need at the very least 3 target painters to make it do damage worth enough, and having to fiddle with those is a pain, even with the time reduction, because the server has this stupid 1second frequency update time which causes modules to do 1 extra cycle all the time.


overall, just disappointed, I don't need more tank... I want firepower. I would be happy with half the tank if I were to get 50% more firepower.

If anything i think the proposed marauders need more dps and tank not less...

Just like a dread, marauders need to be able to survive in deployed mode against a typical fleet and be able to do a lot of dps while in that mode. Once out of deployed, the ship can receive reps from logi but with such a low sensor strength, it might not be doing any dps if the hostile have an ECM ship.

I'm still waiting for an answer on if it can jump through a wh while in bastion mode. That's a real game changer in wh space.

Hellooooooooo? anyone?

So were titans.

why scary, they still have pathetic dps

There are a lot of question about this change but I think a big one is: why more than double the tanking ability of the Marauder and then only give 25% boost to weapon range (and tracking for turrets)? Maybe there should be more/bigger damage application bonuses too.

EW immunity is interesting, this doesn't include neuts does it? But it does include both ECM and tracking disruption I take it.

It will be interesting to see what the Kronos with Null ammo will be able to do. This is the first (and only) Hybrid BS with a bonus to falloff. Looks like with 2 Tracking Comp 2 the current Kronos gets optimal 15km and falloff 30 which means the new Kronos will have Optimal+Falloff of about 60km or more. That's with 900+ DPS.

Note that this Kronos Blaster range is well short of the 100km range created by the MJD making the Kronos' falloff bonus less relevant. Other short range weapon systems such as Torps will have the same issues, as will target painters.

Anyway it's an improvement over the current Marauder with and I think the tanking bonuses will make it the I Win button for Level 4 Missions. But, well, it costs 900M so maybe it should be.

You realize that all of the downsides you mentioned don't really exist when in Bastion mode right?

It gets a huge tanking bonus, far more than T2 resists would provide.
It has a couple of flights of light drones to deal with frigates, as well as plenty of high slots for large neuts.
It is immune to EW.

I'm not saying that flaws don't exist, but none of them are the ones you pointed to.

-1000 DPS is pathetic? Bit hard to impress aren't you.-

Considering ze shitiest t1 bs can do same or a lot more while being mobile why are you impressed?

yes 1000 dps for a T2 BS its kind of pathetic

and since gank is the tank for mission thats why ppl dont use them very often

Very true. I think people keep thinking of their current fits and forget that for most missions these Marauders will need next to no tank fittings. Nearly everything can be devoted to offense. Not to mention excellent range even from their most powerful short range weapons.