Player Features and Ideas Discussion

Currently, this seems more like a triage module than a siege module; bonus to reps, ewar immunity, and-- range. Marginal, but y'know.

Here's an idea: what about making the Tactical Weapons Reconfiguration skill a percentage strontium consumption reduction, like 10% per level? Then make this a proper mini-Siege module for Marauders, with a Strontium cost of 50 per cycle or something similarly low? If it's then paired with a damage and tracking bonus, it then becomes a nasty way to buff DPS -- but paired with, say, a sig bloom and being locked in place, makes the Marauder a giant bomber magnet. Axe the resist buff, and suddenly you do have a mini siege module, instead of a mini triage-but-it's-not-really-we-swear. It gives the unit a clear battlefield role (local domination) with a clear counter (bomber runs), requiring that you clear bombers from the field before dropping the Marauders.

As it stands, this looks like a sort of hamfisted way to buff local tanking sniper fits when snipers rarely use logi or much tank.

Further, I'm still not sure why the Marauders can't be allowed to out-DPS pirate BS. Marauders require vastly more skill training, cost more, and require actual industrial involvement, whereas pirate BS require-- lucky BPC drops and LPs?

no, that was a specific design goal. they specifically wanted RAHs to have a stacking penalty against DCII armor resist bonuses. why, i dunno, but they did, and as a cap pilot (i.e. the class ship they're used most on), i'm satisfied with the balance of the thing.

dont have a source right offhand, but if you check the RAH introduction thread i think it's in there. e: someone got the source above me. thanks mate.

on topic, i'd like to reiterate that i think these changes are kinda cool, but the more i think about the argument that the bastion mode being anathetical to the marauder's designation as skirmish ships. whilst most of my colleagues seem to be arguing for marauders to become MORE mobile i.e. lose the bastion immobility requirement, and then introduce a new T2 BS for bastion work, i personally think it should be opposite; marauders were always big heavy PvE boats, and if we're all being honest here, the bastion module's application is going to be heavily PvE-focused. (dat red cross menace, yknow). so i'd like to put a proposal, or support for an existing one, in for consideration.

by all means, create a third class of T2 battleship (and by all the gods, PLEASE base it off the hyperion hull for gallente <3<3<3) built for fast paced skirmish work. specifics i wont pretend to try to craft - i wouldnt trust my attempts to stay unbiased towards imbalance. however, i think that a solution akin to what i've outlined would be the most logical. perhaps a high base speed, or a "antisiege" module that increases propulsion mod speed bonuses and agility. it would have to extend bonuses to both MWD and AB, due to the simple fact that, if you leave out AB, the armor variants simply would not be used as far as i can see. however, i imagine a battleships' signature would be enough to deter large fleets of blapdread-resistant armortanking skirmish T2 BS things.

Yeah I did the math on it (in the edit to my post), but you were right.

I am not really happy to see everyone beging for more and more dps, i dont think thats a good direction, in the end it leads us to a "Need for Speed" like event where Alpha and DPS got nerfed like Nanos got back then...

What small gang situation are you talking about that sees battleships alpha'd off the field?

And yes, it is insane firepower because you can get away with fitting less tank mods on the armor ships. Either that or you could just go with insane tank. Not to mention the firepower is also higher due to the massively increased damage projection.

Thanks for explaining that, but as a matter of fact I used to make my own excel spreadsheets to calculate stuff like that before EFT was around.

Now all we need is a dev to answer our questions :).

Your right, but i am just worried about the actual situation where the DPS and Manpower just achieve some ridiculous amount, its just a risky combination.

My post was more a reflection about the Community and their wishes.

Does the Bastion mode have a cooldown after each 60 second cycle? or will it continue onto the next cycle like an armor repairer would unless it was deactivated mid cycle?

Greetings CCP.

While it seems you're willing to change the mauraders I do not believe you're willing to buff them enough to be useful for the cost or skill requirements that they have for any purpose other than highsec mission running.

I've got a shiny kronos that once in a while (years now) i'll hop in and go run L4s blitzing away.

It's setup with an omnitank, 425s. and Afterburner and primarily does sniper kiting tactics, It's a fun setup and is very survivable.

The baston module to me has little or no appeal for this setup, it already has plenty of range and tank and its own movement helps maintain tracking. the MJD bonus could be handy, but i really dont see myself fitting one over the afterburner, which would take away a cap recharger or a tracking computer.

So my *wishlist* for my long unused shiny ship of olde would be

1) don't nerf the speed on the hull
2) give them some better base cap regen
3) don't nerf my drone bay
4) give them proper sensor strengths
5) you're adding a high slot for the bastion module, an argument could be made that a midslot should be added for the MJD as this seems to be a staple for how it is intended to operate.

The bastion module.....
I'm really not digging this thing, its only purpose is mission running, if you were to pvp with it its like a dreadnaught with 1/12 the ehp, 1/10th the damage, 1/4 the tank for 1/2 the price, its going to get splattered by any formidable crew of subcaps.

1) remove the weapons timer - this things already going to have issues in pvp, this is insult to injury.
2) add some kind of a damage bonus, i'd like to see maybe 1200-1300 dps from 425s on a kronos when using this module, prolly about 2k dps when using blasters, too lazy to do the math for the percentages, at least im not asking for crazyness like 3-4k like others.
3) add some kind of energy neut protection, this thing pretty much has every form of defense covered except that, add a base 25% reflect when the bastion module is activated maybe? I mean this is basically a 2 trick pony if you're going to sit still with your 1bil base hull cost shiny thing using the godmode defensive module of the century it should at least have all the obvious vulnerabilities plugged.

I thought about that at first, too. But if you compare the dps between the golem, paladin and vargur at 65km vs a cruiser, the paladin is king. The golem has hard times to even reach that distance (javelin + 2 t2 rigs do the trick) but this means you have to sacrifice rigor rigs and 2 target painters won't help much against cruisers at this distance. Additionally, the paladin can use tons of different ammunition to get the best dps AND it has tracking computers (up to three) to optimize tracking or optimal. The golem can switch between three distances and if you want the best dps your max range is 45km. The vargur uses mostly tracking enhancers and shots in falloff. So I'm not that sure, if it is that bad. Yes, it is a "nerf" for the paladin (boost for the others), but one which doesn't hurt too much.