Player Features and Ideas Discussion

Well, they've already designed it to not be an optimal ship for large fleet actions, so that really isn't what they have in mind for it.

PVE activites and small/medium gang activities appear to be it's cup of tea. I think we'll see them used in Null sec for PVE purposes in well secured/scouted area's, but I doubt they will see much (long term) use in Low sec.

It wouldn't surprise me to see small groups of them on gate camp duty in Null, where you'll have a pretty accurate idea if those folks coming through the gate are strong enough to over run your bastion deployed ships, but low sec camps usually don't have that precise of intel at their disposal. Of course, it would have to be a force with a sizable advantage in numbers to make much headway against a group of properly deployed Marauders that can cover each other.

Are you suggesting that a single bastioned Marauder is NOT an effective counter against 50 sentry Domis? Madness, I say!

maybe read what it was response to someone? Yes it was, to your post suggesting that you'll be able to withstand alpha strike of domis https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=3551763#post3551763

please make the golem like the phoenix
we need more space bunkers

ps this is all cool but can we please get Odyssey 1.1

I'm already interested in more [Winter] stuff. I had been following all the command ship and marauder proposed changes and things, but I still assumed T2 re-balancing would start with frigs and work its way up.

They already revoke that.

Good question there from James Amril-Kesh.

I'd also like to know if bastion modules are the same category as damage controls and reactive armor hardeners (for those who don't know, they stacking penalize each other), so e.g. if I have a damage control, a reactive armor hardener (not that I ever would in their current form) and a bastion module fitted, will they be stacking penalized?

All in all I have to say - interesting - I'm too confused with the changes to decide if I like them or not, but anything is better than marauders in their current form.

The Bastion module needs to give a DPS boost though.

Edit2: and get rid of that tractor beam bonus already - noone uses them to salvage.

Hey, thanks for that. I didn't realize damage controls and reactive armor hardeners stacked against each other.

You know... I don't really think they are supposed to. Bug perhaps?

Regardless, none of those modules "should" penalize each other... its rather the point of having them. If they do (by design) it then it needs a re-think.

I also support a tracking bonus, it would seem a natural thing for a ship that will be stationary a lot of the time.

If these ships are supposed to be viable for large fleet fights (and I know the current thinking is that they are not, but things can change) a bonus to Target Spectrum Breakers would seem to be a logical choice considering their isolated nature.

But those modules really need to be reworked. They should not break your own lock, ever, although I can see them being effective against friendly locks (logistics) because how the hell would they know right? But in the case of Marauders that wouldn't matter, as they can't make use of logistics anyway.

I'm fairly sure the reactive armor hardener and damage controls don't stack with each other.
You may just be confusing this with the way resistance bonuses work to begin with.

EDIT: Hmmm, seems you're right, they do stack against each other.
E.g. Base T1 explosive armor resist is 20%. The DC2 increases armor resist by 15% (or in other words "removes" 15% of the damage that the ship still takes).
So with a base 20% explosive resist, the ship in armor will take 80% of the incoming explosive damage. 80% * 15% = 12%, so adding 12% resist on top of this gives you 32% armor explosive resist.

So with the DC2, the ship will take 68% of the original explosive DPS, to armor. Assuming the reactive armor hardener in didn't undergo stacking penalty, it would take another 15% off of this DPS (assuming the RAH has just been activated and has not shifted). 15% * 68% = 10.2%. So the new armor explosive resist should be 42.2%.

In reality, with the stacking penalty the RAH has a bonus of ~12.92% to armor explosive resist. 12.92% * 68% = ~8.79. So the new explosive armor resist is actually closer to 40.8% which agrees with EFT.