Player Features and Ideas Discussion

Pretty much would like to see the TP cycle time reduction in Odyssey 1.1.1 or something.

I'm guessing the "long deployment" has a different definition than ours/the playerbase.

While I like the idea of breaking the ice with new approaches, I still don't get why this mindset cannot be projected on other ships in a lighter variant.

Since I don't fancy Marauders much, I won't be too mouthy about them in this thread, but I do wonder how Highsec fights will be once these are on the field.

why does the golem need a damage bonus? golem is the only one that can pick its damage type at will, and does comparable dps to the other marauders as is (yay cruise missile buff) oh yea, and it has crazy range!

also the painter bonus is pretty sweet. lets you use your rigs for damage. with missile speed rigs and the missile speed bonus from bastion you shouldn't lose missiles to defenders, the cruise missiles simply move too fast for defenders to hit. also they will go fast enough you wont need to count volleys out to like 120km or so.

plus with the changes the golem will only really need a 2 slot tank, so lots of free room for all sorts of mods.

whats with all the other concerns are they looked into is anything of this thread considered

tell us how much u think player feedback could have a impact to the actual outcome ... does it even matter what the comm want

i know its getting worse with everyone screaming at your effort and i appricate that player feedback goes just in developement

but this topic is the only one in ships i cant in any way say im ok with any other changes till now were ok (liveable) to awesome.

I don't necessarily think these are a link between battleships and dreadnoughts, since their roles are somewhat different. The only "link" with dreads is that they can "siege" which increases their tank. Otherwise, there's no link.

I still think there ought to be two versions of the Bastion module: one to support the huge tank/ewar immunity game play and one that still sieges but would allow better bonuses to fit into a PVE environment, such as allowing remote reps, buffing scan res, increasing webs, etc., but still being vulnerable to ewar. Besides, for anyone who'd think that this will make them overpowered if they choose to "PVE siege" in a pvp environment, they'd still be susceptible to neuts and would succumb to ewar with their miniscule sensor strength.

ewar immune so the enemy can't just spam jamming thingies. vs other styles of towers though yea a conventional fleet sounds better to me.

So yeah. That tractor range bonus is completely useless. Either increase it by 100% (at least) or get rid of it.

There. I thought about these ships from a pve viewpoint.

From a pvp perspective all i can think of is immobile blinged out targets to gank.

I guess theyd be awesome in whs. I really cant see much use for them otherwise. Gimmicky garbage. Please, release them this way though so i can gank more mission runners with friends.

Having ruminated on this all day, I think the Bastion module design is rather lazy. It's remarkably similar to Triage and Siege modules- all three make you immobile, all three grant bonus mass (part of being immobile, I guess), all three become immune to EWAR, all three have a fairly long cycle time (1 minute+) so you have to really think about when you're going to use it and whether someone is going to turn up and try and ruin your day.

It becomes very odd to then combine this with a mobility buff with the MJD bonus, unless you can MJD while in Bastion, which could be an interesting PVP skirmish mechanic, but I digress...

The more fundamental question is, what's wrong with Mauraders? What were they meant to do that they don't do any more, especially compared to the changes with battleships? Let's revisit the role text:

"Geared toward versatility and prolonged deployment in hostile environments, Marauders represent the cutting edge in today's warship technology. While especially effective at support suppression and wreckage salvaging, they possess comparatively weak sensor strength and may find themselves at increased risk of sensor jamming. Nevertheless, these thick-skinned, hard-hitting monsters are the perfect ships to take on long trips behind enemy lines."

A Bastion module really doesn't fit this mentality- a lot of what the Mauraders have is geared towards the 'versatility behind enemy lines' thing, such as a decent sized drone bay, large cargo hold, lots of highs + enough fitting to fit utility, then T2 resists, a tanking bonus and plenty of mids/lows to tank with. If I'm going on a long trip behind enemy lines, a module that immobilises me for 60 seconds doesn't sound like the best idea. The MJD, on the other hand, is great for giving a fighting chance at defeating bubbles and some extra burst mobility when threatened.

Where the Bastion module seems to be coming from is 'we have to make Mauraders PVP capable'. Thing is, they are, within certain contexts. They get fielded in tournaments all the time because they can do so well with those gang sizes. When cost is an issue, it can be tempting to go for Pirate Battleships instead because they typically perform better for what you spend (and this is where the balancing needs to occur). Weak sensor strength is the primary reason you don't see big coalitions filling the sky with them, and if that's patched with a module that makes them unable to receive remote reps, that isn't going to change- you're exchanging one fatal flaw for another. At this point, you should be rightly rethinking whether Mauraders should be pushed into a position where they can serve as ships of the line (for which the answer is 'definitely not').

I'll reiterate my initial instinct- the Bastion module could help create a new type of T2 with an interesting set of playstyles and mini-dread type functionality, although I'd like to see a little more innovation in the downsides of the module- say, +100% to sensor strength rather than immunity, -60% to speed rather than immobility, increased resists combined with reduced remote reps (no net effect, remotewise), perhaps an inability to warp/use prop mods, sig bloom to go along with the increased range, inability to turn... there's a lot of possibilities to consider. These possibilities are unfettered by a need to be an evolution/rebalance of existing ships and can let a Bastion-type ship really explore a new niche rather than trying to shoe-horn Mauraders into it.

Who doesn't want a Bastion Rokh? Makes a lot more sense than trying to twist the Raven/Golem into it.

this include npc ewar?

Golem with the Rokh hull? YOU HAVE MY VOTE!

seriously, the Rokh needs a faction / Tech 2 hull. Scorpions and Ravens already have their multiple versions.