Player Features and Ideas Discussion

Remove the active rep bonuses for the Bastion module as you already have a significant increase due to the resists. Proved a 5% per level increase to damage. I foresee many issues with triple rep and XLABS fits relative to balance with out theses changes.

I understand with the MJD cycle usage why you nerd the base speed, mass, etc... But to me this was a nice part of the Maurader concept.


Also I don't think they should be E-war immune. Just proved them with a bonus to scan res and sensor strength of 100%.


Instead of going down the dread route, why not give them the T2 resist profile and turn them into close range brawlers? I am not sure I like the idea of have BSs that can snipe with there short range weapons.

consider yourself corrected. EWAR immunity, combined with a 25% range buff (which for most turret weapons is essentially the same as a dps buff), combined with a free omnitank slot (invul/EANM) will completely demolish all faction/pirate ships in lvl4s. while mobility can be an issue in a few missions, most can be done effectively by standing still and burning targets as they approach, thus negating the only 'drawback' of the bastion module (can we call it 'assault' instead of 'bastion'?).

ewar immunity doesnt effect pve much, at least missions and incursions (i dont have much experience in anoms/plex/etc) range buff is meh.... you only do additional dps IF you are too far from the NPCs, so if you have a long enough range damage weapon, then additional range beyond that doesnt help much - esp if you just move to be in correct range -

CCP, I have said earlier that I think the changes are wonderful, BUT I really think you guys ought to consider Marauders as they relate to PVE platforms, and specifically with Incursions. Incursions are, I believe, the "pinnacle" of high sec PVE, and as such, Marauders should have a place there. With the Bastion module, however, I think Marauders in Incursions will be limited, because it disables the ability to receive reps.

Thus, I would suggest that perhaps you make TWO BASTION MODULES:

One Bastion variant would do the same that the current proposed Bastion module does, and the

other Bastion variant would provide bonuses that make it a competent ship in Incursions, perhaps receiving a bonus to received reps, tracking bonus, or similar.

The idea is NOT to buff Marauders into mini dreads, so I don't think that adding damage bonuses on the "Incurision-oriented Bastion Module" is right, but a tracking bonus, explosion radius/velocity or similar damage application bonus, since Incursions are always run with Logi support and are often firing at smaller targets. Both Bastion modules would render the ship immobile, but one would buff its tank and make it ewar immune and the other would buff its damage application but it would be SUSCEPTIBLE to ewar.

Having two modules would provide compelling choices for strong tank/ewar immunity/damage range VS better damage application for smaller targets. Perhaps this is where you could build in a web range/speed bonus or similar. Again, the idea is NOT to buff their damage but to provide compelling gameplay decisions that we as players love. It would also add an element of surprise to someone engaging a Marauder.

Have you ever flown in Incursions? Going 10 seconds let alone 60 without remote reps is a death wish especially in squishy Paladins in a TCRC

i think it still makes more sense to use tactical reconfiguration to make it on the path towards dreads, makes a lot of sense to just change the description of the tactical reconfiguration skill...

I absolutely agree that for incursions, you "could" just turn off bastion mode when taking fire, and although it will annoy the logies to no end waiting to rep you, it seems possible..... but the ship STILL has poor buffer - one of the reasons it wasnt popular in incursions beforehand - and local reps just arent enough for incursions. So yeah, inconvenient, but possible to use in incursions... maybe.... i dont know, even 30 seconds is a LONG time, you may have to have a local module just to hold out enough time, gimping your normal tank or dps

So what do we get in exchange for all this inconvenience? A sniping bonus....well the thing is we dont need a ship to sniper to further ranges or even do higher damage at sniper ranges. The amount of ehp sansha have at sniping ranges is insignifant compared to the amount of sansha ehp that is sitting at dps range - and even so we have enough snipers in incursions - once there were not many but then everyone trained them, snipers are the majority and this new bastion-sniper would be useless in incursions.

Oh yeah and it wouldnt be able to move either, and MJDs are simply not an option in incursions. With an mwd these would reach AB speeds.... so its damage against everything but sniper targets would be much less then current snipers


EDIT-- ok actually i do, after thinking about it, see a place where a bastion marauder would work in incursions, it would actually be pretty good at VGs.... if and ONLY IF it could actually tank throughout an entire site. You would have to fit for tracking, and would have to have someone to move ore and possibly hacking, possibly still need a drone bunny....but.....that may have to be a marauder because there would be no non-local reps.

it would still be a pain to refill charges if you have to us ASBs, and i am going to guess it will still not have as high dps as current VG fleets, and it is going to make it so if such a fleet exists no one but marauders can join it due to no reps, and its going to make it so marauders cant join normal fleets because they cant be repped..... unless they compromise their fit

No NPC in the game that I've ever heard of warp scrambles. It says "scramble" when an npc points you but if you right click on the ewar icon above your capacitor it will show you that you are only "disrupted".

As a test I've used MJD equipped battleships in null sec anoms, 3 seperate types of DED complexes (Centus assembly, Blood Raider naval Shipyard and the Maze), in null sec incursion space (i intentionally let an incursion npc point my battleship at a gate to see, didn't this several times, while yelling "screw you Niarja" in local lol), and in lvl 4 missions in low and high sec.

Not once in all that pve content has my MJD failed to activate.

It's a get out of jail free card and not putting one on a pve BS (at least until ccp decides it's OP and makes npcs actually scram lol) is crazy to me.

tachyons.

I want to echo all the other people asking for "please not another high-multiplier skill for a module only one extremely niche ship uses." This really sounds like the sort of thing that Tactical Weapons Reconfiguration does. (although I'll concede that Tactical Defensive Reconfiguration might be a reasonable description of what this module is actually doing...) The Black Ops battleship, though, is a not-unreasonable stepping-stone to capital ships because it shares jump skills. If Marauders share TWR, then both T2 battleships would be reasonable stepping stones (even if you don't need Racial Battleship V to inject the dread skill anymore) to some kind of capital ship. I like that idea, and, with the proposal as it is now, that's not really the case. This really feels like a ship for your alt to fly, even if it does have some entertaining possibilities outside of missions.

I was also going to advocate for the Kronos to get an optimal bonus instead of falloff, but blasters need the extra falloff range, and rails really don't need the extra optimal range nearly as badly if you deploy into bastion. You'll probably only be using antimatter and javelin, though.

MJD away from them and kill them as they approach? NPC tacklers can't keep you from MJDing.



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Or you could have enough drones or web bonus to deal with frigs not run away from them..but i guess doing it wrong is the right way nova days....[/quote]

If you want to work harder at it than you need to, that's up to you. I use webs and drones too, but the MJD is an emergeny escape hatch for it is all goes to pot.

For instance in null sec. Sometimes you get pointed by multiple NPCs at the exact wrong time (a neutral or red comes in while you're chewing on the 4 frigs pointing you). MJD lets you say "nope, gonna mjd, then warp to a safe. Same goes for high sec lvl 4s, some of which can still kill you if yo make a mistake. MJD lets you say "ha ha, no you can't kill my domi Mr serpentis).

But hey, don't let me stop you from using the classical 2005 style of missioning. Some of us just like to be all modern and what-not