Player Features and Ideas Discussion

Bye 90% web to kronos. You are no longer useful for pvp compared to the vindi....

Again, probably means the web bonus on the Vindi is going as well, which makes a lot of sense.

It's horrendously powerful, especially with Blasters because it gives any sort of smaller opponent the option to either fight where your tracking is good enough to hit him or fight where your tracking doesn't matter.

At longer ranges you can't break his tank and if he catches you then there's no escape.

As much fun as it is to use a bonus like this it's not much fun to fight against and really strikes me, especially combined with the high DPS nature of the Vindicator, as a relic of the days before the Nano-Nerf where every ship with these bonuses was simply adjusted and left to sit when the original 90% webs went away.

With how powerful webs are without this bonus and how absolutely silly this bonus is on the ships that have it I really can't say I'll be sorry to see it go.

i don't get the module for pvp, like a 1b sniper battleship?

without at least a damage upgrade it a liability instead of an asset
there's a reason we're pretty risk averse with blackops, isn't going to change with marauders

at least a dread can do a ton of damage and its insurable, this just die



take of the assistance restriction and tank bonus maybe?
immobile tanky sniper platform is reasonable

will still get eaten alive by bombers though

Do not like the changes at all. No one is going to use em for PvP!

- The mini siege is way to weak to justify being immune to RR and e-war for 80s/60s. At least give em a 100% damage bonus! TBH the immobility during mini siege is penalty enough. This is not a dread and has no big buffer! Remove immunity to RR.

Other things:
- Marauders e-war bonus was really nice.
- Sensor strength is needed! This is the main reason these ships suck at PvP. .. and price tag.

Aai.. the reason why the Kronos looks so good for PVP from my point of view in it's current form is because it is basicly a Mega on steroids with a web bonus and nuets.

I do not understand the direction of these changes. Some of them arguably fix some problems, but don't do it in a way that seems engaging. And in my opinion, that's a factor that needs to be considered too.

PvE aspects

I have never once used a MJD in PvE. It's far too quantized. I really mean this. Let's say I warp in to a pocket, and there's an acceleration gate 40 kilometers away. Great. I will overshoot it by 60 kilometers unless I do a whole bunch of wacky triangle stuff to land myself exactly on the gate. This will be a lot of tedious guesswork. They are already rather sluggish as it stands, and these changes will make them a downright chore to fly.

Furthermore, my Golem is fit with T2 modules. That's it. And it can already permatank literally every L4 I've ever attempted, with no worries of losing my ship. Not to mention, I'm fitting cruise missiles- with the recent buff to cruises, I barely see a reason to bother with torpedoes due to the fact that the damage loss you get from cruise missiles is way offset by the utterly obscene range cruise missiles offer, and the now non-lethargic flight time they have. I feel that faction/deadspace would just be utter overkill, and put me at a greater risk of being ganked.

So the Golem already has enough tank, and it already has enough damage projection. Why does it need this new module that in PvE just takes it completely over the top when that additional power isn't necessary? These changes do not alter my situation.

PvP aspects

Okay. So you claim you want them to be usable in PvP... But literally the only way is if they flip on the Bastion Module and become EWAR immune. Because you haven't changed their sensor strength at all. I'm not sold on this. Similar problems arise in PvP as in PvE from the quantized nature of the MJD. In large coordinated fleets, the MJD can be useful. The Marauders, what with their powerful active tanks, are not really standard fleet vessels. Because active tanking. In order to become useful in PvP, they must use this Bastion module. Which basically either locks them down in one position, or has them coast helplessly in one direction for a bit. I've always been told, if you stop moving, you're ******. Even with this massive increase in defense, you're stuck there for at least a minute, which could give driven groups pretty much a guaranteed kill by bringing in a large, extremely high damage fleet.

Attack/Combat hull mixup?

It seems to me that the 'high damage, excellent damage projection, obscene tank, low mobility' go hand in hand with the Combat line of battleships. But the four marauders are based off of Attack hulls. Please notice a pattern you've already engaged in with the HACs- the ones based off of the Attack hulls are fast, the ones based off of the combat ones are slow. You've gotten it backwards here, and have made T2 Combat hulls out of Attack ones. So why not save these changes for a new class of T2 heavy battleship (using the Rokh, Abaddon, Hyperion and Maelstrom hulls), and make some different changes to Marauders? We do not really have 'specialized fast battleships'. The Machariel is an outlier, but does represent this role.

So instead of giving the Marauders the Bastion module, why not give them one that does the following:
-30% penaltyless resistance bonus for shield, armor and structure, as now
-Decreases signature radius by some undecided, reasonable quantity
-Improves capacitor economy of active tanking modules
-Massive reduction in 100MN MWD capacitor usage
-n% increase in weapon rate of fire, where n is a reasonable number
-Possible penalty to weapon range but nothing overwhelming.

Note the lack of EWAR immunity. That's because sensor strength is increased across the board to non-'hornet EC300s will have me permajammed into next year' levels. Further, these ships I think would have velocities, mass and agility on par with (or even less than in terms of mass) their T1 attack hull counterparts.

I don't know, I don't really like these changes very much. I guess one could argue that in a way it's allowing them to get into PvP, but it's... Not exactly the best way. These changes lack... 'Fun'. Marauders, post change, don't look like they'll be very fun to fly in any context. They're already not that great, and the alterations only prod them further down the path they're already on while removing things that made them tolerable. This post is probably dumb because it's after 1 AM.

Well, to be fair.

I said similiar.

Not the same.

This should be able to comfortably run a lot of 'lower'-class anomalies. For the biggest ones though you're still going to need a fleet and maybe a carrier.

For reference you should be able to comfortably tank a Vargur to 2k DPS omni in Bastion. With faction/site specific resists you can probably achieve a much higher tank, especially if you pick your ship based on the rats you're fighting.

Between this and the potential for MJD kiting in these ships they are definitely going to see use in null-sec anoms.



Which is only helping my point that this bonus is probably being eliminated by CCP for being over-powered. That it can take an otherwise lack-luster hull like the Kronus and push it into PvP relevancy is extremely telling.

I agree the current changes are kinda stupid, usable in PvP? ROFL YEAH RIGHT!

I have to agree ading a tractor bonus is just a waste.


Also would it be possible to ad a damage bonus for the Bastion Module.... or that would be to op