Player Features and Ideas Discussion

Honestly I think this whole idea is bad

Nice quote, except the OP mentions turret falloff and optimal

Edit: just realized I actually typed falloff and tracking, and that CCP Logibro fixed it. Logibro best bro, thanks bro. Sorry about that.

I wonder if these changes will kill autocannons Vargur.... not so good projection even multiplied by 25% and mjd focus looks weak compared to other weapon systems. Autocannons can't project to 100km even with these changes. Oh and 4 huge alpha arty cannons will probably suck for pve. (too much overshoot with low RoF). One can ignore mjd thingy though and pray tracking will be enough to kill orbiting stuff.

oh cool you updated the op

Mournful, you are being a huge whiner. And you have no imagination. I can think of all kinds of uses for these ships.

Take a break, man.

How do you not get that these things will have a MASSIVE tank that allows them to easily tank a ton of damage until they drop out of siege.

These changes are fairly amazing, I actually really like this

I don't see why the bastion should eliminate remote reps to it. Obviously it would be far too overpowered with them... but also I can see why many people say it will be a total flop without them...And because the bastion module is intended as a micro version of the siege mode dreads use... why not allow the remote reps to still be applied to it, however adding a reduction to the repping amount of said bastioned battleship. Would this not be the best way to hit the sweet spot for this issue?

Errrm, what's the point?

Sure you spun a good yarn with the MJD an all that but if you are planning on engaging 100km away you already have Beams, Cruise, Artillery or Rails fitted and all of those will do 100km easy so the optimal/fall-off is redundant (doubly so when you replace web bonus with range!) .. apart from the tank (which will always be better when outsourced) you lose nothing by choosing to stay mobile = won't be used for PvP in any significantly higher numbers as cheaper and just as effective alternatives exist.

Now if you instead of the range bonuses were to give them tracking/missile equivalents instead you'd have ships that not only benefited when at 100km+ but could just as easily do SR weapons and hunker down in the middle of a furball and tear some arms off.
Double whammy in PvE as tracking is infinitely better after MJD introduction covered any and all repositioning woes.

And you could script it to allow damage bonus (RoF for artillery) to force a choice twixt dps and applied-dps.

Still probably wouldn't be enough to convince people to blow 1B a pop when they can get away with one fifth of that but would be better than range in any case.

Tanking bonus needs to be significantly higher as +100% is nowhere near enough in todays excessive dps environment (read: Fleets larger than the entire server population of 8-9 years ago) .. give it the full siege module bonus by including a 50% cycle reduction on top of the +100%.

PS: Bastion? Really? That the best you could come up with?
PPS: Better to equate it to Triage modules as the biggie with regards to siege is the damage bump, whereas Triage is all tank (local + projected).

Some ultra quick napkin math that i'm sure people will jump on me for if it's a little wrong but with the Paladin in bastion mode with 2 faction TC with optimal ranged you're getting 32+19km conflag, 96+19km Scorch, 36+47km gleam and more than 250km optimal with aurora. That's a pretty significant increase in projection range. I like it.

in response to the remote rep complaints : why not reduce incoming repairs and such by 50%? would decrease a bastion's spider ability whilst still allowing for that option.