Player Features and Ideas Discussion

Because for the world of EVE antimatter is in this case just a name that sounds cool.

If those shells really had an antimatter core, then on impact all clones on that grid would get activated as a result.

They used to go around 115 with offensive IV and level bombardment(IV). I had a Drake that hit for 118.

Out of consern for my fellow member that use rails and understand that i could not do damage to a cruiser using afterburner and so on and the nerf for tracking enhancers. I would rather have tracking enhancers that boost special bonuses like autocannan tracking enhancers that give falloff and tracking and rail tacking enhancers that give me a big boost in rail tracking. I would say the same for any other weapon. Maybe the specialization should be in the modules not the weapons or ships.

Then i would say these are a big blessing in improvements as they are in the long range all ready. Web them for me and i will nuke them.

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If we're going to assume the enemy has Skirmish Links then can we at least assume I was smart enough to bring target painters?

Seriously, max sig reduction from Skirmish Links is 34.5% (Odyssey 1.1). A fully skilled target painter boosts sig by 37.5% which should more or less cancel out the bonus entirely. If you put it on a Huginn it's 56.25% and if it's a Republic Fleet TP it's 60%.

You don't even need multiple TPs here, you just need a couple of dedicated ships. If you're worried about them popping then over-tank them at the expense of damage so even if they die the enemy spends enough time killing them that you win anyway.



This is actually a fairly good approximation of the issues explosives face in space.

It's not that the missile "misses" or "fails to hit" it hits just fine, the problem is that it's exploding against the hull which means that if you're moving the blast wave stays behind and does less damage unless it can keep up to some degree.

The reason explosives and missiles especially are so devastating in atmospheric combat is because of the blast wave. In space there's nothing for this blast wave to propagate through except for debris from the missile plus whatever incidental damage you get from radiation.

If you were to, say, somehow vacuum seal and reinforce a warehouse, suck all the air out, and then set off a bomb inside with the materials it needs to "explode" you probably wouldn't even exceed the atmospheric pressure trying to crush the warehouse from outside.

Also the days when missiles did full damage to everything sucked.



I tend to just assume that most of the round is taken up by the containment system for the Anti-matter and reactive matter to go with it so that the entire thing just reacts on impact. Big bang, but very small actual explosive payload.

Except that the other long range guns are getting a tracking nerf to compensate and Missiles will still apply their DPS just as well up close as at long range, meaning the Heavy Missile Nerf is still justified. In-fact now with Heavies vs any other long range medium turret you can close to short range and clean house.

Can't do that with Rails, Beams, or Arty.

Speaking of those, if you check the effective ranges on Rails, Beam Lasers, or Artillery you'll see that they're generally short of Heavy Missiles at that damage tier. Or to state that a little more plainly. If you fit these weapons for Heavy Missile ranges you don't get Heavy Missile damage, if you fit them for Heavy Missile damage you don't get Heavy Missile range.

As for the T2 missiles, you have the option of increased DPS application at the cost of a lot of range from Precision missiles (useful for small targets that don't have much range anyway). Or the ability to increase your weapon damage by ~1/3rd at the cost of some range and some damage application ability. This basically means you're shooting up about half a weapon class and means you do a lot of damage to Battleships.

If that's somehow useless then I a bit scared to see your idea of useful.

No heavy missles and only a marginal bonus to Arty? Ouch... The alpha on medium arty isn't all that strong unless you have absurd numbers. I am pretty sure most people have switched to using Arty Nado's. Honestly, if you see a group of snipe muninn's in space let me know! I love easy HAC kills!

The main reason why I didn't like the medium long range weapons so far was the crappy tracking on them. Considering the PG usage, there is not going to be too much PG left for me for tank so I want to sit at range. Which means I can pretty much throw the t2 close range ammo out the window because well - quite honestly: I'd die if I'd use it, I'd be better of using t2 mediums and scorch (using lasers as an example here).
Now if I use the t2 long range ammo I get hit by a 75% tracking malus which already makes you miss stuff quite badly which is set to orbit you with MWD on for a nice large sig radius and still at a long range. Now imagine it with 15% less tracking and I am getting one hell of a headache.
I think it is odd - as it has been pointed out before - that you are comparing a t3 battlecruiser with a Deimos (HAC). I for one would suggest reducing the damage buff / rate of fire buff but instead INCREASING the tracking to make it more viable. Or introduce a skill which affects the tracking penalty of ammunition specifically so we can reduce the negative impact of the t2 long range ammo.

several points need to be made.

1 missiles DONT apply their damage well. ESPECIALLY t2.. while its true the damage application is the same at 0-max range. failing to apply even half is still failing.. with a nighthawks application bonuses, level 4-5 skills and target painters on battlecruiser with an ab.. you hit HALF as hard as you would if you would just use standard noob t1 missiles(non faction).


2 i dont think you have used HMLs in a LONG time... you should try them again, right now for pvp.. good luck

3 missiles dont get any kinda low or medium slots to help with tracking or damage application, rails, beams and arty do.. *Snip* Please refrain from personal attacks. ISD Ezwal

4 precision missiles??? HA HA HA HA HA look at the stats bro. basically the same or less damage then standard and faction missiles. less range.. and WHAT IS THAT? SAME DAMAGE APPLICATION!... if their goal was to make them precisely useless. then MISSION ACCOMPLISHED! =) 11 extra exp velocity and 15 extra explosion radius is pretty pore for a precision missile. especially considering your normally hitting stuff for full effect anyway (which is jack **** now might i add) with t1 and faction missiles... so whats the point of them?

*Snip* Please refrain from personal attacks. ISD Ezwal

i miss the old inferno 1.0 patch missiles. yeah they were a little TO long range, but at-least when you shot them at people it hurt.. and they didnt look at you like: "lol noob what are you doing?" -10% damage to the stock missile was WAY to much... =/


Ps: fozzie if you do see this, you should consider doing somthing with missiles, its all anyone is bitching about in your "gunnery thread".. so i take it that everyone is pretty happy with the gun changes, congrats! XD.. might want to look at this now?

Edited out some profanity. ISD Ezwal.

mm.. cruises got overbuffed

I agree. CCP did this deliberately to force them back into fleet pvp. Unfortunately the flght-time issue frightens FCs I think.

Really, all forms of gunnery ought to have flight time in the equation. Bullets do not travel at the speed of light. Lasers do of course, but the energy accumulates over time at the impact point (as heat energy). This takes less time for a pulse laser by its nature - more energy is compressed into each pulse, so the mechanics would probably work out.

So if hybrids and projectiles had a "muzzle velocity" metric and the laser weapons had an "energy accumulation period" metric, all weapons systems would be balanced in that respect, and missiles would once again be seen as a viable system. Cruise missiles could then be brought down to a sensible level of performance.

Maybe if a CSM member reads this, they can whisper in Fozzie or Rise's ear...

EDIT: for the record, my corp uses cruise missles for combined pve/pvp in WH space - they're very versatile, and deadly with a target painter.