Player Features and Ideas Discussion

Blob is Best. (I guess)

Guess here those 11 million leadership skill points will turn into a burden for the titan pilot.


I still can't wrap my head around this. Hard to believe 11 million specialized skill points could turn into such a burden. I figured the on-grid stuff would make the null bears happy but damn, is this a witch hunt?

I figured an untanked 5,000 ehp loki with no guns on grid was bad enough. Now it needs an aggression timer for the hell of it?

I am upset at the T3 changes. However im hoping that everything works out and the changes do not happen

Why would you bring an untanked 5,000 ehp loki when you can bring a very effectively tanked claymore or sleipnir?

Why should aiding and abetting an act of war not carry the same penalty as performing it? If you provide fleet boosts to someone you are part of his tank. You're involved. Why shouldn't you get a gate (or criminal) timer?

The game is changing (for the better). You're going to have to change with it.

I have more than one Booster alt and to be honest, the fact I can't boost from within a POS anymore when in my home-system, while annoying, is still bearable.
Plus, in the future you can't boost on station either, because you WILL die, since those warfare modules will apparently refresh a weapons time of sorts (like agression) which won't allow you to insta-dock or jump. But I can work around that...somehow.

I don't see the problem with command ships, especially once 1.1 hits. They're tanky and the buff they are getting is huge enough to be worth abused as much as chicks on bread. The problem I see with is with T3 boosts, since "yay we lowered fitting reqs. for warfare modules", but not for the damn processor. And THAT is the main bottleneck. the T3s are supposed to bonus THREE different types, so why would you ever expect a T3 to run around with a single link??? Give the warfare subsytem the same bonus that command ships have, aka fitting 3 links natively. That should fix a LOT of things. Especially the "tank" aspect, since I can't see T3 boosts EVER on grid, since well, you can't have a decent boosting T3 AND have a tank to sustain more than destroyer dmg.
If you wish to nerf T3 boosts that much, might as well remove them, because current state, they don't belong on-grid, due to the fittings.

The reduction in boost strength is acceptable. i put us roughly where we were before the introduction of T2 links. And let's face it, back then, it was already so much better than not having boosts.

tl;dr:
T3 Warfare subsystem to natively be able to fit 3 links, as Command Ship counterparts. Then you get about same EHP/Boost trade-off than CS and at least you can bring them on grid.
also, titan boosts? Since Rorqual boosts are allowed IN-POS, because well, the ship isn't suited for effing around warps in system, how about titan boosts?

I commented according to Fozzie's wording at the time of my post.
For stuff like timer i know and therefoe mentioned "in the future".

Moving Command processors to lowslots doesn't help jack, because fitting requirements would still not allow you to fit a decent tank. The problem is that you won't be able to have a T3 on grid. you could, if the subsystem would get the same 3 link allowance as the CS counterpart has.
And then its a trade choice of "3 different bonus @ 2%/level" or "2 different bonus @ 3%/level" on grid... sounds solid.

And they shouldn't make 6 links more easy. If you fit 6 links on a CS, you'll trade a huge portion of your survivability. the same applies for T3s, and rightly so. But trading survivability up to being uttterly squishy for 3 links is just plain NO. should be the same.

where's the sandbox we used to play in? How will having 3 T3s with a command subsystem each, to carry one link each, benefit ANY T3 gang... We don't all fly in 10+ gangs, to be honest, and having to slot 3 people into squad-co, wing-co and fleet-co just for 3 measly links is the equivalent of a word that won't make it through censor.
I can put up with all of those changes to the ships and modules, no matter how bad of game design they might be, in the past and present and probably the future, but as I said, you might as well removing boosting from T3s, if the goal is to put them on field but they will only be viable with one link / ship.
Hence, I am hoping Fozzie in all his wisdom might consider this.

People who hate off-grid booster because they can't use them just see the disadvantage they have. But booster brought much more fun to PvP. The main problem in EVE is that solo players or small gangs will be pwned by bigger fleets with logistics, blops, ecm etc. these days. To me skirmish boosting is one fun way to go solo or in a small group against larger fleets. I remember a small group of hostiles playing with us in their boosted nano-setups. Ofc it was annyoing at the first glance but this brought a lot of fun on grid especially when we started to counter them the same way.

The main problem I see with links on-grid is that this will take away the boost from solo players or very small gangs while it will be another exclusive feature for bigger fleets only which still have the advantage by numbers, logistics and everything you can imagine to pimp a fleet to be awesome. They can field their booster easily on grid beeing repped up while a small gang trying to play with them and skirmish links will definitely lose their booster because it can't stay long at distance on grid or has to jump out when fighting at a gate.

We still have the issue that bigger roaming fleets just can be countered if you bring well skilled and equiped numbers or you need to stay docked and let them pass. With links it's possible to play against them on grid. And to me it makes more sense to boost the weaker ones instead of boosting the stronger setups only at the end. But it seems that CCP wants to see the bigger fleets and blob-fests what might be a problem because everyone who's playing EVE for years knows what kind of players and how many players you finally need in a corp to field a decent bigger gang anytime.

Someone mentioned earlier in the thread that it might be a good idea to make gang links progressively less effective as your fleet size grows, simulating the difficulty in executing command and control over a large organisation.

This would give small gangs meeting a larger one a small advantage that they could use in the face of otherwise overwhelming odds.

I think that's a reasonable idea which would work well with on-grid boosting, particularly with skirmish links. It would go some way to balancing the odds of a smaller fleet, keep boosters on grid where they should be, and still not disincentivise a large fleet from taking gang links.

Anyone agree?

Except that the best boosters are now slow cruisers that move like battleships, sure.

Guess what the high value target is, particularly if everyone is forced onto grid. So while the blob applies webs, points, and painters to you boosts how exactly are you going to save it?