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Another very interesting Idea I've heard that I fully endorse. Is a boost to sentry drones. Allowing sentry drones to warp, while having limited to no base speed. For example; a fleet warping to a interceptor 200,000 meters on grid to engage another fleet. Also a boost in heavy and medium drone hit points, tracking, velocity and damage output. The changes to sentry drones will give Gallente the 'fleet option' (Cry Havoc + Ishtar).

You are misrepresenting the facts. Pulses and AC's do not "hit better", with a 20% tracking boost and a 5% damage boost the megathon with null outperforms an equivalently setup Tempest with barrage inside 20k. outside 20k, the tempest will outperform the Mega. Since the Tempest must engage w/in disrupter range to hold the mega in place, it's window of superiority is 4k. Yes I want improvements to Hybrids, but I do not want them OP and the FoTM. CCP has gone a long way to make up for their shortcomings without forcing us to fit additional mods to make them perform. And next to EM, Kinetic damage is always a good choice.

Switching to RF Fusion vs CN Antimatter, the cross over point is around 12k, but the difference in damage jumps up by an additional 28% in favor of the Mega.

The mega has almost double the tracking of the Tempest, which results in significantly better hits thus the paper damage difference is actually smaller than the actual damage difference. But 1 vs 1's are not realistic on TQ, nor are these ships setup equivalently. In general the Tempest makes up for it's lacking performance (as does the hurricane) by incorporating a buffer shield tank and loading up damage and tracking mods in lows. But those are ship differences, not weapons differences, and the Rokh can fit a very nice shield buffer tank and load up the lows with damage mods and TE's and perform well. BTW, start fitting TE's on your Blaster ships in place of one Mag Stab, I have.

But this is all theory, the days of jumping around in a mega and soloing a small gang are over. CCP does not want these ships to perform like this and if they start to, they will nerf them into uselessness (again). In gangs, I consider anything within Optimal + .6*Falloff to be in my advantage range w/Blasters. Using Blasters does not always mean engaging in optimal (which is actually always larger than AC's optimal - another falsehood spouted here often). The closer I get to optimal the more advantage I have. Lets face it, we have to make a decision to engage in a very short time period and forcing a bad situation often leads to a lost ship. But this is no different than arguably the best short ranged brawler in the game the Geddon, which never has the option of running (but I still love that ship).

The changes to projectiles made mini pilots have to change setups to take advantage of them, As I said before I can use all T2 large weapons, I just adjust my fittings sometimes using setups I learned on other ships. Don't get me wrong, I want to use my Mega again (badly), I just don't want to have use it all the time. If they improve it but don't make it OP, it should be safe from future nerfs for a long time (at least that's my hope). BTW, have you tried the daredevil on sisi yet?

kk when do you want to meet on sisi. You fly that Talon and I wil get in a Tornado and you show me you bad ars that blaster dmg projection is.

Pff dont listen to this noob pls, he is a noob hungarian,with bigger mouth than brain ,nobody likes him thats for sure.

Before I start, I fully admit that I have little in the way of PvP experience yet, so the following is just a random idea from following the conversations on Gallente/hybrids.


I noticed a bit of an uproar about the idea of just a single Gallente ship getting a webifier strength bonus, so I'm guessing that there's been a bit of a history on that front. I do think though that a good way to deal with the Gallente needing to get up close is to have a difference in effectiveness of webifiers between a blasterboat and the opponent. It struck me that instead of making Gallente webifiers more effective, you could get a similar effect by making the opposing webifiers less effective. Give the webifiers a longer ranger (or add some varient webifiers that are weaker but with the longer range), and I think it would go a long way towards fixing the problem.

Basically, Minmatar would be the fastest/most nimble race, but Gallente would use more of a steamroller approach to speed whereby silly little things like webifiers aren't going to slow them down much.


As for actual implementation, I can think of 2 methods off the top of my head:
- Change the mechanics for webifiers so that they have a strength rating that is compared to the target's propulsion strength rating. If the target's propulsion is stronger than the webifier, the speed reduction is only partially applied to the target. I think that this would be the more powerful and flexible option in the long term, but would involve more of a core change to the game mechanics, so may not be doable in time for the winter update.

- Give appropriate Gallente ships a bonus that reduces the effect of webifiers targeting them. This could either be as a flat role bonus, or as a bonus per level of skill. If it is a per level bonus that replaces an existing bonus, I would fully expect it to be a stong reduction in webifier effect, possibly even to the point of adding up to a -100% bonus in some cases. This I expect would be doable within the current game mechanics.


Any thoughts on this approach?

There would have to be some fundamental changes in EvE before I'd agree with that last statement. AC's have lowest optimal and lowest base damage in optimal. Their advantage of damage projection would be completely nullified if they weren't fastest. However your points are basically correct. Blasters need something, the changes so far are a step in the correct direction, however making blaster boats the fastest (even w/plates on) would simply remove AC's from the game. If you couldn't maintain range with the lowest damage weapons why would you ever use them?

Again we run into the issues that revelations forced down our throats. By shifting tanking from active tanking to passive tanking, the speed difference between shield tanks and armor tanks was made significant. Speed is important in small gang warfare (which wh's boosted nicely). If we did not have to plate up armor tanks, the speed difference would be minimalized, and the extra low might even be used to neutralize any speed difference.

Perhaps you're solution is the easiest, though boosting damage into significant levels really should be met with removing these speed boosts (though leaving the agility ones) or reducing optimal range below AC's. Other changes would be too hard (changing webber ranges and/or scrambler/disrupter ranges) and would take a much longer time to properly test. Like I said, I want to use my blasters again, but I don't want to use them all the time.

And yes, on Sisi, the Dram is nerfed and the DD gets the boosts, nuff said.

Absolutely nothing, in fact other than perhaps adjusting the range for cruiser sized weapons. This is a very reasonable suggestion. In this scenario Blaster boats could have straight line speed, while AC boats could have agility. It would be interesting to test this on sisi.



Well you can forget that thought with fully 1/2 of the eve races using Hybrids, deleting them simply isn't an option. Since CCP's stopped responding to this thread, it sounds like their mind's pretty well made up. The solution isn't ideal, but it's a noticible improvement and should get blaster and rail boats back out of the hanger. I'll at least keep trying to utilize them, and for small hybrids this is a very large boost, if you're not flying them in PvP after this, you should be.

Fully support the laser-caldari initiative. Make it happen ccp!

This is something I was also thinking and support. Sure, blasters can melt ships at close ranges, but that doesn't matter if those ships can break away once you engage them. Maybe gall ships shouldn't have the highest speed, but they should be able to stay on an enemy once they are already there. Blaster gall ships should also not be penalized for doing what their ship is meant to do, get in close.

By introducing a resistance to webifiers to Gallenete blaster boats they would not trade spaces with Minmatar ships in terms of speed. They would still have to manage to get in range first. But this would also allow them to keep up with ships attempting to run/kite once already engaged at close range. It would also prevent their weapon system from working against them as they do now through forcing them to get within web/scram range. Whether to add a set resistance or a per level one, that would all need testing to determine, as well as to which ships it should apply to.

As an example: CCP has released the Talos supposedly as an anti-capital, anti-battleship vessel. One inherent problem with this is that once the Talos gets in range of the target, it becomes webbed and scrammed, thus nullifying the speed tanking aspect of the ship class. Sure you can stay outside that range but then you reduce your damage as well as the angular velocity, once again making the speed pointless. At the same time the battleships and capitals you are attacking are releasing drones and/or fighters.

The biggest part to take from this change would be that you wouldn't be buffing blaster damage but only their ability to apply that damage once they are within usable range.

You could base it off of ship Mass and add a new ship Attirbute called Engine thurst. Were by Gallente/Amarr Ships have the heavyest weight and strongest ship thurst to move them with would be less effected by Webbers as well as webbers would effect smaller ships more then larger ones do to Mass/Engine str. Just a ideal.

And with this new ship stat Galante ships would be the least effected by webbers with Amarr second and Winmatar/Caldarie can sort them selfs out some were in 3/4 place depending on just how ship Mass and Engine thurst work them selfs out.

That still leaves Minmatar the fastest most agl. ships in game.