Player Features and Ideas Discussion

I have a question.

Why are cynos and cloaks used this way.

Psst: Because Local.

I don't think switching null local to be exactly like wormhole local is entirely appropriate - fixed routes, cynos, etc make it a different kettle of fish - but local needs some kind of adjusting such that it isn't such an impossibly strong intel tool for carebears. Cloaks and Cynos aren't what need changing.

Yes, going AFK for days shouldn't be needed.
People already adapted, developed that and use it as a counter to balance the godmode, free intel from local.

If wasn't that easy as is now to lock and secure sov null sec areas, if was viable playground for roaming gangs (as it was years ago) or anything else than isk farmer and blobbers, if was so then there were no need to use AFK cloacker and hotdrops; people would rather prefer to have a chance to get your ratters using HAC. If was a viable option...

Locking the ritchest areas of the playground and turning them in farming areas can be good for the players doing it. But for sure is not good from a general game design poinmt ov view.

If CCP, since years, are trying to fix their past mistakes and years continuosly improving cynos, covert (and soon blackops) and hotdrop related mechanics, there are reasons.

And sorry if not only you but also others want to play EVE.

You want to hotdrop easy kills with great drops without them running away. We all get it. We also disagree. We want to be able to fight the pvpers in our own sovereign systems, and do our other economic activities after we have fought off the hostiles so that we don't inevitably lose assets specifically designed for non-pvp. There is no reason that you should be entitled to easy kills which cannot run away. There is no reason that people should not be able to block your hotdrops.

You want to safely travel deep into space occupied by hostiles without being reported in their intel channels and hit assets which are not designed or prepared to fight you. We get that too and we disagree. Moving deep into hostile space should be inherently and highly risky. The further you go into hostile space, the more you should be reported. You have no entitlement to being able to hit targets which are neither designed nor prepared to engage you and up to 300+ friends within a second of warning. With a stealth bomber, you can decloak at your desired engagement distance, decloak and instantly lock and point the target despite the target being aligned and ready to warp out.

Here are my suggestions:

1. Introduce a grid cyno jammer which onlines in 1 minute and jams all regular and covert cynos on that grid.
2. Prevent any cloak from being online while a regular cyno generator is online.
3. Bridges should only be allowed to a jump bridge array. Covert jump bridge array would be required for covert bridges. These arrays would appear on the system-wide overviews when online.
4. Prevent Black Ops from being able to bridge to regular cynos.
5. Allow dscan to be toggled on for continuously cycle with audio alerts for any ship result changes to the scan results. Easier to watch for incoming hostiles.
6. Increase the signature of any ship with the cyno lit by 1000%. Make them much faster to lock and destroy.

I object to these ideas because they're imbalanced. The current situation, while a bit odd, is at least balanced. People are reported instantly, infallibly with the overpowered local tool. They counter that by cynoing fleets in or sitting cloaked long enough to make people think they've left. The changes you suggest aren't balanced.

Still pretending to just be a miner without any cloaky cyno alts, eh? Happy with cloaky cyno alts shutting down entire systems with the imminent threat of a 200+ hotdrop blob?

The current situation is not balanced. People either move to another system or close the client when they cannot fight an enemy which can cyno bridge 200+ enemy right on top of them within seconds while totally unprepared and unable to warp out.

People are not reported instantly and ship reports are hit and miss. The reporting and research requires effort and meta-gaming.

Shallow roams into enemy space are not tracked very well. Wormholes drop deep into enemy territory in known space without local reporting and tracking. Deep roams should require more support and more visibility to enemy intel.

Cloaky hotdroppers are not honest with themselves when they call themselves pvp'ers as they exclusively target pve assets and press for muting local. If players pve assets didn't drop anything, this would greatly change the greedy cloaky cyno players looking for easy, juicy kills. If players' pve assets were insured to 100% of ship and fitting and no killmails were issued, then cloaky cyno players would realize that attacking pve assets is no different than doing missions. They might be a little more honest with themselves about not being pvpers and would turn back to their own pve content. Nothing is forcing anyone to get rid of local and use cloaky hotdrops except fear of real pvp against ships designed, fitted, and flown for pvp.

If you don't think that afk cloaking issue is mostly about cynos, then let's just prevent cynos from everywhere except gates, celestial objects, stations, and pos, and see what happens to the cloaky cyno issue. I personally will have no complaints about cloaky cyno ships after that proposal is implemented.

Now you are just being an obstinate ***hole.

My cloak?!?!?!

As I said, Nikk has his motivations, and it isn't just cheap ganks or some stupid reason like that. He wants to protect what he has and maybe get even more, by accepting the risk, adapting to it, and reaping the rewards.

Two points for you then:

1, this is my main, and my obvious kill board's lack of entries that would fit your definition of cloaky ganker speaks volumes.
No, I do not have an alt that I use in that manner.

2, the problem is local. Hot drops vanish as obsolete the moment it becomes possible to get onto grid with a target ship any other way, without them having a free warning to get safe first.
AFK cloaking fails utterly if cloaks are not constantly displayed along with regular traffic as well.

My thread on local changes drops the three categories that have no business in local, for that reason. And it STILL leaves local otherwise intact.

when you quit eve .. can i has your stuff????
for now tears will be more then welcome , LET IT RAIN