Player Features and Ideas Discussion

Too many pages to be all read, so i'm gonna give my suggest anyway, not sure if already given: make the Iteron Mark II a mineral specialized transporter (but this should includes EVEN ice products), make the Iteron Mark IV an ore specialized transporter (this should includes asteroid ore, ice ore and gas). Moreover, the Iteron Mark IV should have a significant larger specialized bay than the Iteron Mark II, since the ore products are really larger than refined products. I figure the Iteron Mark IV as the main industrial ship used by miners for the belt->station travel, but the only 7.000m3 more cargo than a mackinaw are not really attractive. This ship is not even attractive for a trader who wants just move some profitable ore from a station to another.

As far as I understand this is how it works. The itty 2 handles all refined materials, the itty 4 handles all raw gas, ore, and ice.



It's not just 7,000 m3 because of the hull bonus. At galente industrial 5 the cargo hold sizes of the specialized haulers are:
itty 2: 64500 m3
itty 3: 67500 m3
itty 4: 63000 m3

They're far better than their generic hauler competitors, so much so that it's questionable if the other races compete at all. The hardest part to justify is that they're able to do this without any fittings at all, which allow them to focus every module slot on mobility or tank as desired, while the generic haulers have to focus every slot on expanding cargo which leaves them even more flimsy and gankable.

Welcome to balance.

Nothing wrong with specialization man, on the road we have trucks that are configured differently to carry gas, commodities, fluids, food etc, why should eve be any different.

If flexibility is your thing they've already got you covered with 8 unspecialized haulers. Besides, bending rules is what got us the specialized haulers. Highest capacity hauling of ammo or PI goods never required anything specific before but due to non reality-based rules it does now.

This sounds a bit too selective in usefulness to warrant a dedicated hull. There is only one mission I'm aware of which would even benefit from using it over any of the other high capacity general haulers. That seems a very weak premise for a ship.

Am I the only one that doesn't like the idea of cargo specific industrials? I understand it's an easy fix but forcing any ship into one super specific role seems foolish and contradictory to the spirit of EVE, not to mention doesn't make a lot of technological sense.

Ok well how about a modular bay system?

Large Ore Storage Bay: Low power fitting(less robotic inventory control required) (1?)PWG and (40?)cpu requirements to be determined by ccp(can only be fit on industrial ships).

Bay has 10k storage but can only fit the approriate item.

General Cargo Storage Bay: Medium power fitting(More robotic inventory control required) (10?)PWG and (55?)CPU fitting requirements much higher then Ore Storage Bay.(Industrial ships only)

Bay has only 5k storage but can fit any kind of cargo.

Each kind of bay added adds to the cargo hold for that kind of item(general would add to general cargo hold or a unique cargo hold that isnt affected by expanders or rigs.)

Change the industrial skill affects on each ship to 5% agility per level and 5% modular bay storage capacity per level. Each ship could be custom fit for what the player needs based on tank/agility or storage capacity.

Also t2 modules could be invented requiring robotics and software engineering. The robots are miniaturized, conveyor belt sorting system is streamlined and the software is improved to more effectively stack and pack. (12.5k per specific bay and 6.25k for general cargo bay)

Bays would require the Robotics Inventory Management Systems. IV would open t2 specific bays and V would open t2 general cargo bay. Would reduce CPU requirement by 5% per level.

Gotta say it Rise, i used to love your kil2 vids and streams and i really thought that New Eden had lost out when you went to CCP. I was wrong

You can carry the specialized ores in the unspecialized haulers, you could even use a cargo rigged black ops if so inclined. Apparently the only thing stopping you is a desire to min/max beyond utility.

True enough. Though, the diesel truck itself does not necessarily change. The cargo portion has a container type, such as box-body van, liquid fuel, open-cargo (dump truck), toxic chemicals, inert gas, milk, etc. As those container types change, minor adjustments are needed due to regulations for safety, health, and environment. So, a dump truck appears different from a fuel truck. I think that type of specification change for haulers should possibly be left to t3 industrial variants.

1. OP idea should be in-line with barge & exhumer changes (ore holds add mining functionality)... indy variants (ammo, PI, ore, etc) need to increase functionality, customization, and EHP. Also, OP changes sound unbalanced if only certain ships have an extra bay (ex: iterons have mineral bay, hoarder have ammo bay, and iteron mark IV have ore bay).

2. Customization and functionality win in my book, so t3 industrial haulers are the better option.

The functionality suggested by OP sounds similar to t1 mining barges' ore hold and t2 exhumers' slightly larger ore hold. Since training for mining barges or exhumers gives access to all the ships in those categories (three each category), racial industrial training should give you access to one of each variation (ammo, PI, ore, etc). Hmm, that direction may make it too complicated. A simple solution is likely best, but OP seems to allow an industrial imbalance.

Maybe changes to t1 industrial ships should either follow mining barge/exhumer style of training plan or a separate t3 indy ship. I do like how flexible a t3 version of industrial ship would be, but the higher training requirements of t3 may be excessive. An idea for industrial t3 module/subsystem hold I call ship compression chamber, which focuses on carrying packaged ships.