Player Features and Ideas Discussion

Legion-boosted Gallente active-repped ships were broken.

Given how different buffer fits scale compared to active-repped fits with encounter size, all active rep bonuses should just be removed from the game. Gallente hulls would still often use armor reps because it lets them maintain their speed, but when fights escalated beyond the size where local active reps are useful these hulls would switch to buffer rather than being completely trash.

You have logis even in small fleets, all rep boni (bar maybe on frigs) are dumb and shouldnt be in game as they are.

Some ships will be stupidly overpowered with this changes.

The Incursus will destroy t1 frigate balance.

Incursus is just the most pronounced of the lot due to dps/EHP ratios of the frigate class, but the issue exists all the way up the chain.
They could keep the 7.5%/lvl, but ... reduce grid/cap to a point where you have 'total EP' (ie. full AAR cycle + base) equal to nearest comparable competitor x1.25 before capout (that is where grid reduction comes in, they should have to sacrifice a goodly chunk of dps to get more EHP by way of injecting).

Problem is that Gallente boats have accumulated flaws through the years as neglected hulls tend to do and with Devs sorting each problem but treating them separately (not stepping back to see whole picture) ... then you throw in a tangential change such as this ...
They now have: more cap than reasonable, more fittings than reasonable, more mobility than reasonable, they have .. all issues with the hulls pre-tierice, but by fixing each part the whole become OP. They NEED to have an easily exploitable or built-in weakness as neuting is 'meh' since all Gallente boats have enough mids for injecting .. no ship should require a gang to bring down with similar sized ships.

ASB 'issue' can be solved by giving them the AAR treatment: cap use with some esoteric fuel source to load (there has to be something from PI that fits the bill!) or simply limiting them one per hull as with the AAR.
Normal boosters can be addressed by going over the grids of the various ships so that a choice can be forced if the injector is wanted on top .. in that case, consider changing the boost penalty on relays so that damage/speed sacrifice option is made available as well.

This is an interesting problem for CCP. Gallente self rep blaster-fit ships are designed to be up close and personal. i.e. within scram range. For that reason their only way out of an engagement is by winning it. The outcome is digital.

Under those circumstances, if you construct the ship to have a 'fair' (50%) chance of winning a 1:1, it's chances in a 1:2 will rapidly drop to zero.

So in order to be viable in any sort of gang skirmish, it has to be a little more powerful so that it can survive long enough against 2 or 3 opponents for help to arrive.

This must be a very difficult thing to balance as a game designer.

I have no problem with gallente being OP at close range brawling, minmatar being OP at edge-of-disruptor-range skirmishing, amarr being OP at mid-range fleet work and caldari being OP at slinging missiles from beyond the edge of lock range.

Welll... first of all, on a pvp op I always ensure that there are neuts in the fleet.

Secondly, deimos is not *that* op. It will die to a neut-fitted battleship eventually, but it is strong enough to hold on long enough for help to arrive, which I think is it's role. Certainly that's how I've been using it - a hardened point ship.

It will also (eventually) die to a properly flown vagabond. I cannot speak for other ships since I am not an expert in amarr or caldari pvp.

Interestingly no-one has mentioned cruise missiles. I lost one deimos to a pair of ravens fitted with mohlnir cruise missiles and target painters - no neuts involved. Again, with a neut, one of these ravens could have taken it I am sure. This makes me wonder whether there are opportunities for defeating it with EM guns like lasers end artillery/autocannons with EMP. Certainly you want a target painter on it, particularly if it's in a skirmish-boosted fleet. But if it's in a fleet and you're fighting it, you want to be in a fleet too...

Everything has a counter (except the 100mn tengu... sigh)

Not everything is fleet and for every point of "weak" the active rep bonus may accrue in blobby weather it gains five points of "OP" as scale decreases. Otherwise a sensible thing, one can never have enough neuts in case of a logistics or Hail-Mary carrier appearing.

As for the rest .. you really want to balance HACs against ships 3 (4 if you include T3) sizes up the ladder? If so then all the other hulls will need significant changes

That is strictly a PvP interpretation. The active rep bonuses are quite good on PvE boats.

Well considering that maybe 1/4th of the accounts in the game are PvP characters, much less PvP only you can't ingore that side of the house.

I can say fairly certainly that CCP isn't.

@ Fozzie

any chance of fixing AAR's anytime soon? I've offered many solutions as has other people