Player Features and Ideas Discussion

I'm liking the amount of cherry picking going on here. You use the Void Astarte with HAMs and implants. Now tell me who in their right mind will put 2 HAMs on their Astarte instead of links?

Now the implants are worth talking about, with Medium Hybrid Turret 5% implants costing around 10m on market right now, but anything higher than a 3% gunnery is ridiculous to assume, adding 90m/130m to a pod loss... which you will lose if you lose the ship in a bubble.

Also, he made a decent point about the Eos really out-ranging the Astarte. Once you get out of knife fighting range and nearer to web/scram range (unlinked) you'll be getting better damage out of the Eos. At around linked web/scram range (you have the option of fitting one, it's bonused!) the Eos will probably be doing much better off than the Astarte.



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Perhaps you could use some meta modules? And also not try to fit the biggest of everything all at once and expect easy mode fitting. You've got a full complement of highs, maximum tank with an MWD, and you don't want any issues at all? a Co-Processor in place of one of the BCU's should fix that fine. 2 BCU's are still acceptable, and you don't lose any tank.



Perhaps you could fit 2 injectors, an MWD and a point and you don't run the risk of having a solo pwn mobile because of full tackle with that tank and damage? Besides, what do you need the web for? Your gang should have tackle fine. And if you're talking about having a web for solo work, for solo work a dual rep fit with a single injector and maybe a NOS in one of the highs should work just fine for keeping the reps going. Besides, it's not like you're using those highs for links if you're flying solo.

Having flown the deimos for an evening I'm not so sure that T3's are that much, if any, better any more. I watched in amazement this evening as my deimos soloed a 100mn tengu.

This is a welcome development. It means that there will be more than 1 class of ship seen fighting in wormhole space at last.

This I am sure will make for more interesting fights and new tactics. "Bait" need no longer be a 100mn loki. It can be a HAC or command ship (or an industrial, now that you can fit a dual-asb iteron 4 which will happily tank a cruiser for 3000m3 of cap boosters).

Eve got better today.

Engaging ships is no longer something you'll be able to do without thinking through an exit plan. That's a good thing for the game.

+1 Happy Customer

I'm hardly cherry picking a tiny range of 8-10km. I'm implying that at around that range is where it surpasses the Astarte. I'll admit it's tough to apply damage without webs and scram on targets, but you can still send your heavies out past that range. Or you could launch mediums at that point. Whatever you do is up to you. I know that you don't get that MWD velocity and tracking bonus to mediums, but they're still faster than heavies, and you have enough bay to have a full flight of heavies, 2 spares and keep a flight of mediums and lights. It doesn't matter, put in your bay whatever you want, it's your choice.

Also, despite the fact you say that the Eos can't compete with 2, or even 3 links, I'd definitely disagree there. With 2 or 3 links it has a much higher chance of outlasting whatever it's fighting. It'll outrep the Astarte in that scenario by at least 33%.

Also, are we covering every single scenario here, or are we talking solopwnmobile? Gang? What is being discussed? I would definitely disagree that the Astarte is better in 100% of scenarios. The Astarte is only good if it has the means to get in range. The Eos is at least acceptable outside of its blaster range.

Edit: Oh, and the Eos probably could still use some work, maybe some moderate tweaks to bring it up, a change to some of the bonuses, even. But I really don't think that making it a 5/5/7 is the way to go. That's just ridiculous.

I tested the Claymore on Singularity. I tried various PVP and PVE fittings.

For my purposes, the power grid to CPU ratio seems out of balance for an advanced ship. To fix, I would slightly lower the power grid and slightly increase the CPU.

I still believe Creodron should be slapped really hard, the EOS reassigned to the roden shipyards. I mean they messed up the eos pretty hard a couple years ago, why not give it HAMs? (Totally not because I'd personally love that *shizzle*)

Claymore is pretty damn funny, with a large SB and two operational solidifiers, all the other stuff (2 BCUs, 2 nanos, 2 med cap booster, invuln, def web, 5 hams, 2 skirmishlinks) fits nicely. Can't wait to fly the pimped out variation with deadspace/faction/storyline equip on TQ and get rid of those fitting inconveniences ♥

Command ship zipping around at 2.7km/s (OH mwd)... Say yes to linking yourself!

I do not understand the whole "2 free high slot" for all CS. Like i said earlier, make one boosting CS and one dps CS.

Ditto.

Could probably get away with just adding a primary weapon mount on the dps varieties and nothing else, they could still do twin links but would have to sacrifice potential damage .. only supplemental change that might be needed would be to roll back the 2nd adjustment to Astarte (the 11 gun vs 10 gun change).

Dude, if anything running links on grid should not be taken seriously... As long as there is the option of OGB, that's going to continue to be the proper way to provide links.

So please don't sit here and tell people that fitting these ships w/o links is not serious because it does not make any sense.

Keep in mind that the damage bonuses the CS get is equivalent to an extra highslot. These ships don't need an extra slot to compete, and I have no problem with a Navy BS being of similar value to a no-link CS in many situations.

Sorry foozie, i ,meant a "NAVY BCs" not BS can match the CSs and i dont have any issues with the damage on any of them but i think they could do with a utility slot extra on them all. or the extra rig to allow people to seal up those pesky resistance holes that can arrive because you have nerfed the gang links sumwhat