Player Features and Ideas Discussion

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That's the balance issue, the better gankers get at ganking, the less targets they have, making ganking harder is a huge favor for them, because it gives them more targets. I think that if ganking is nearly impossible in null sec, low sec/npc null and WH space, high sec will become nearly completely empty. This being the outcome that most pvpers have wanted since the start of EvE online. The gankers are the reason why most high sec pilots stay in high sec.

When you think about it, ganking should be the most dangerous activity in the game, by far.

However, nerfing cloaks that they produce a scannable signature after 15 mins of continuous cloak doesn't make ganking more dangerous for the ganker. It simply means he/she can't go afk for longer than 15 mins while cloaked in a hostile system. If he is at the keyboard, he can stay cloaked for as long as he wants, he/she only has to watch D-scan for combat probes like anyone else siting uncloaked at a safe spot and move to a new one and recloak when he sees the probes. If he/she wants to say in system and go long term afk, he/she simply needs to log off, like most other people do.

Defenders win because reds are now active when they are in system
Industry/pve wins because reds in system are no longer in a undefined state like a certain famous cat.
Gankers win because they get more targets and they don't loose the ability to be in hostile systems long term cloaked when they are active/semi-active at the keyboard.
GMs win because they no longer have to remove long term campers from systems and deal with tickets about them.
Forum trolls win because they no longer have to put up with all the posts about the AFK cloaking problem

The real problem is cyno field generators on said cloaked ships. The fear is that "x" number of unknown ships can appear right next to you in seconds,...

The real problem is cyno field generators on said cloaked ships. The fear is that "x" number of unknown ships can appear right next to you in seconds, where x is any number between 1 and 300+ and unknown is everything from frigates to supers. Not only can cloaked ships not be hunted before the cyno is lit, the ships ready to jump to the cyno also cannot be hunted or discovered .. hence the "unknown."

How do you fix the great threat of cynos? I offer two suggestions:
1) Increase the jump time to allow the victim more time to get friends to aid him.
2) Prevent cyno ships from warp disrupting other ships so that the victim can get away and prevent bubble ships from fitting a cyno.
Until that threat is fixed, cloakies will remain the infinite threat which cannot be hunted.

.. To Nik, Teckos, et al., even with my suggestions, there are still plenty of ways to catch pve assets, if fighting pvp assets is too scary for you: 1) lay a bubble at the station, 2) use a blue to bookmark a pve asset and deliver it to you at a safe in another system, 3) warp to range of a blue in fleet to land on a pve asset, 4) plant bubbles on pve sites and then use a blue to the pve asset to determine which pve site he warps to from the station, etc etc. If you want more ideas, you'll have to think of them yourself. Can't have me do all your thinking, can we?

The real problem is cyno field generators on said cloaked ships. The fear is that "x" number of unknown ships can appear right next to you in seconds, where x is any number between 1 and 300+ and unknown is everything from frigates to supers. Not only can cloaked ships not be hunted before the cyno is lit, the ships ready to jump to the cyno also cannot be hunted or discovered .. hence the "unknown."

Is that the best you can do? A personal attack? Try reading the rest of my post and then forming an intelligent response before you post.

LOL, I meant to say cyno or a warp bubble, but was typing too fast.

Lots of classic quotes here!

Nikk Narrel
Why is anyone seriously worried about a cyno?

It could be the up to 300+ ships just logged in and sitting on the Titan on the other side, just sayin' ...

Nikk Narrel
The target has to stick around.
It is impossible to attack or destroy any ship not present.
BM a safe point, and align to this point.

Red crosses stick around. Call them pve assets and enjoy your "pvp." They don't care about local and sometimes they even drop faction modules, too.

Some pve assets ("targets") take a long time to align and have to remain stationary with their sentries out. Other targets have to worry about optimal and range management. Trying to think of a pve ship that can maintain a constant align through the entire pve site without encountering range issues. Maybe the drake and other missile boats? Not saying that adaptations of this solution won't work for other non-sentry ships. Long range, low dps missile boats do seem to be capable of applying this tactic. For the rest, it is complicated or impossible.

Nikk Narrel
Mine in a venture, with it's built in +2 warp strength.
Rat in a ship fit with stabs and tractor beams.

If you aren't already laughing your guts out at the last two quotes, don't worry, plenty of miners and ratters are already laughing enough to cover you. For 2 points, what would happen in Eve if all mining was limited to Ventures? Hint: they mine at a much slower rate. For two more points, what do tractor beams do to protect a pve asset? .. and we already have -2 warp scrams so how about some +2 stabs?

Teckos can't comprehend how targeting pve assets (which prefer to warp away and hide) is like shooting red crosses. Think about it a little bit longer. You'll get it in time.

More classic quotes:


Believe me, pve assets get caught on grid a lot more often then you are willing to admit, even despite following your tips. Stealth bombers warp fast, target instantly after decloak, and hold point until the hotdrop arrives. Frequent tactic.



a) I said nothing about fits.

b) My solution leaves plenty of risk. It just doesn't deliver the easy pve kills that you are looking for on a silver platter to you.

c) High sec doesn't offer bubbles or cynos, so afk cloak in a high sec system all you want. This discussion of cynos does not apply to high sec.



I appreciate that you actually did a comparison with the Venture. For those who do not fly the Hulk with perfect skills, a comparison with the Mackinaw makes some sense. My mining buddy says 2400 per minute for the mackinaw and 2500 per minute for the Hulk, which makes a lot more sense to me. Maybe check your numbers?