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[Odyssey 1.1] Dominix bonus change

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Altaen
SoE Roughriders
Electus Matari
#101 - 2013-08-08 16:12:04 UTC  |  Edited by: Altaen
I don't think this is a needed change. It's not soul crushing, and I'm not going to rage about it, but clearly you are targeting how powerful sentry drones are with their massive tracking and range.

Thing is, I strongly believe this massive power is well-balanced by the fact that sentry drones are stationary.

If you need to move about the battlefield to tackle things, mitigate damage, provide RR, leave grid and return, etc, you are making the decision to leave the vast majority of your DPS behind if the battle suddenly moves to another grid, or forcing yourself/your fleet to have to slowboat to your sentries and pick them up before you can participate at the battle's new location.

Considering this weakness of a Dominix-based fleet comp, it's okay that their damage projection and tracking are a little OP.

I would understand reducing the range and tracking if there are plans to make sentry drones move at even half the speed of heavies, but assuming they will remain stationary, at least in regards to their use on battleships (carriers are a different story entirely) I think it's perfectly okay for them to be extremely powerful on a single battleship platform.

And in regards to the AT... the very fact that the entire engagement is forced to take place on a single grid is why the Dominix was a bit overpowered. This isn't how fights on TQ work, so I disagree with the nerf. Just make it more expensive on points for future tournaments, nbd.
Anharat
Cutting Edge Incorporated
#102 - 2013-08-08 16:17:03 UTC  |  Edited by: Anharat
Gawain Edmond wrote:
as the whole plural chat is still going on i feel the urge to butt in as i'm terrible with the english language.

the oed says it's bonuses not boni. You can argue however much you like and say what you like about how it's done in latin but lets face it english is not latin.

http://oxforddictionaries.com/words/plurals-of-nouns <-- the proof

"If the noun ends with -ch, -s, -sh, -x, or -z, add -es to form the plural" <-- the qoute
"There’s one exception to this rule. If the -ch ending is pronounced with a ‘k’ sound, you add -s rather than -es" <-- the exception to the rule


Just because you adopt a word into your language and you use your grammatical rules for endings on it doesn't change the fact that the word didn't originate in your language and you will not be able to change it's "correct" form, but merely introduce "accepted" forms that your community uses.


Willy Eckerslike wrote:
Since the correct noun form in Latin is "bonum", the plural in Latin would be "bona" and not "boni".



We refer to the noun bonus and not the adjective.
Irya Boone
The Scope
#103 - 2013-08-08 16:19:57 UTC
Really CCP ?
again ?

you mess with drones and now with dominix

Why don't you just remove Gallente ships from the game?

CCP it's time to remove Off Grid Boost and Put Them on Killmail too, add Logi on killmails .... Open that damn door !!

you shall all bow and pray BoB
Makoto Priano
Kirkinen-Arataka Transhuman Zenith Consulting Ltd.
Arataka Research Consortium
#104 - 2013-08-08 16:21:14 UTC
Malcanis wrote:
Kyt Thrace wrote:
Malcanis wrote:
Kyt Thrace wrote:
Darn, just when I finished training for Domi's, wham I get hit with the nerf bat.


They're still pretty fugly.


Corrected for you, Malcanis.


I kind a sorta quite like the aesthetic of the Domi Oops


Malcanis likes poo! Shocked

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Gawain Edmond
Khanid Bureau of Industry
#105 - 2013-08-08 16:21:18 UTC
of cause it does that's like saying the welsh spelling of ambulance is wrong because they adopted the word into their language and changed the spelling to fit their phonetics
jimmy alt
Perkone
Caldari State
#106 - 2013-08-08 16:37:37 UTC
Waiting for Heavy Assault Ships round 3... they are not done yet !!!!!!
Naomi Knight
Ministry of War
Amarr Empire
#107 - 2013-08-08 16:38:59 UTC
nice

now can we balance the other unbalanced t1 bs the scorpion?
Thaman Arnuad
The Caldarian Templars
#108 - 2013-08-08 16:39:29 UTC  |  Edited by: Thaman Arnuad
Rise

Have you looked at making the drone bonus split? I am thinking 10% to range and 5% to tracking.

Edit: derp wrong dev
Dinsdale Pirannha
Pirannha Corp
#109 - 2013-08-08 16:42:02 UTC
mynnna wrote:
Anharat wrote:
>has nothing to do with the tournament
>publishes the change right after the tournament
seems legit


If I could place a bounty on you for this awful post, I would.


What's stopping you?
MotherMoon
Tribal Liberation Force
Minmatar Republic
#110 - 2013-08-08 16:49:19 UTC  |  Edited by: MotherMoon
mynnna wrote:
Anharat wrote:
>has nothing to do with the tournament
>publishes the change right after the tournament
seems legit



If I could place a bounty on you for this awful post, I would.



Question

How is it 2013 and the eve forums still do not have a "place bounty" button on the eve forums?

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Alpheias
Tactical Farmers.
Pandemic Horde
#111 - 2013-08-08 16:59:40 UTC
I, for one, think it is funny that this change comes after the tournament. Blink

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Andy Landen
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#112 - 2013-08-08 17:03:40 UTC
Dominix is in a good place for pve. Other drone ships like the Ishtar deserve similar bonuses.

Alliance tournaments are so contrived with the rules and bans as to render them an entirely different game than Eve Online.

10% bonus needs to remain. There is no reason why this bonus should change, except that you saw issues in the alliance tournaments. People will simply fly fewer dominix in pve with the 7.5% change.

Like your 4% resist nerf. Now fewer people fly the resist bonused ships in fleets. Not sure what good that did. Made logistics less relevant for those ships. Down with strategic ops, up with guerrilla warfare. I disagree, but whatever.

Just stop pretending that this isn't about your contrived alliance tournaments with all those stupid rules about less than 2 of one ship except when flagship or when flown upside down and sideways, etc.. If you are going to nerf stuff randomly, at least be honest with us about your reasons; this is about AT. Or if you prefer to attempt to fool us, at least wait a few months after AT has finished.

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Tikktokk Tokkzikk
V0LTA
WE FORM V0LTA
#113 - 2013-08-08 17:11:29 UTC
If this has to do with nullsec blobs, why not just remove drone assist instead? I don't really see the point of having it besides insta-locking gatecamps and AFK nullsec blobs.
Mina Sebiestar
Minmatar Inner Space Conglomerate
#114 - 2013-08-08 17:16:23 UTC
Still horrible but better.

You choke behind a smile a fake behind the fear

Because >>I is too hard
Oddsodz
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#115 - 2013-08-08 17:22:07 UTC
I Don't like this at nerf at all.

Sentry drones are

1 - Stationary and can not move.

2 - Can be destroyed. Making the ship defenceless.

That is the balance of a Dommi, It's immobility and the fact that it can lose it Damage. No other ship has that issue. Try and stop a Maelstrom from shooting you by destroying its guns before the ship and see how that goes.
Luscius Uta
#116 - 2013-08-08 17:25:28 UTC
Sounds like a fair change. But, why there's still a tracking bonus on Stabber Fleet Issue not in line with other ships?

Workarounds are not bugfixes.
Sigras
Conglomo
#117 - 2013-08-08 17:59:34 UTC
Andy Landen wrote:
Dominix is in a good place for pve. Other drone ships like the Ishtar deserve similar bonuses.

Alliance tournaments are so contrived with the rules and bans as to render them an entirely different game than Eve Online.

10% bonus needs to remain. There is no reason why this bonus should change, except that you saw issues in the alliance tournaments. People will simply fly fewer dominix in pve with the 7.5% change.

Like your 4% resist nerf. Now fewer people fly the resist bonused ships in fleets. Not sure what good that did. Made logistics less relevant for those ships. Down with strategic ops, up with guerrilla warfare. I disagree, but whatever.

Just stop pretending that this isn't about your contrived alliance tournaments with all those stupid rules about less than 2 of one ship except when flagship or when flown upside down and sideways, etc.. If you are going to nerf stuff randomly, at least be honest with us about your reasons; this is about AT. Or if you prefer to attempt to fool us, at least wait a few months after AT has finished.

did you ever stop to consider that the goal of this nerf (or any nerf for that matter) is to get less people to fly the ship? did you ever consider that a ton of people fly that ship because it is too effective compared with the alternatives? or did you just ragepost because you want to fly a super effective ship?

TL;DR
ever hear of something called balance?
Deacon Abox
Black Eagle5
#118 - 2013-08-08 18:06:30 UTC  |  Edited by: Deacon Abox
I don't know whether to be happy that you are responding to a perceived imbalance with a quick but small change (i.e. no longer letting a problem fester for years and then out comes a sledgehammer)

Or, whether to be upset that you are caving to nerf whining from a few people jumping up and down from a perceived imbalance in one pidly alliance tournament.

You see, it took you years of drake after drake after tengu after tengu after ecm boat contingent after ecm boat contingent to address any of those problems. Yet it seems one alliance tournament with heavy damp use, bam scripted damps. One alliance tournament with heavy Domi sentry use and bam Domi nerf.

CCP Y U no like the Gallente, but kept giving the Caldari pass after pass? (/:Damar Gallentius:)Straight

edit - and please then restrict "real" eve battles to just a few ships, to just one grid, and to only ten minutes so that those stationary sentrys from a Domi can perform in the "real" eve battles the way they do in the alliance tournament. kthxbye

CCP, there are off buttons for ship explosions, missile effects, turret effects, etc. "Immersion" does not seem to be harmed by those. So, [u]please[/u] give us a persisting off button for the jump gate and autoscan visuals.

Roime
Mea Culpa.
Shadow Cartel
#119 - 2013-08-08 18:12:46 UTC
Irya Boone wrote:
Really CCP ?
again ?

you mess with drones and now with dominix

Why don't you just remove Gallente ships from the game?


The tracking bonus was too much, 7.5% is still fantastic.

Drones have only been buffed, just like the whole race. Idg what you're whining.

.
Psycros
Evasive Finance
#120 - 2013-08-08 18:17:35 UTC
The fix to 90% of drone issues is simple, obvious and probably pure demonic heresy to some: allow drones to slowly repair their armor while in the bay. You can still lose them if you're not playing with both halves of your brain but this would allow for a lot of flexibility in balancing them. I wouldn't even be opposed to requiring a drone repair module to enable this ability, although if I'm losing a slot I'd want fairly decent repair speed, and I'd hope it would rep their hull as well.