Player Features and Ideas Discussion

Copypasting my post from FHC

Those navy implants really should be expensive, not like twice the cost of vanilla mindlinks, more like 5x the isk and LP cost. It's a no-brainer, nobody's NOT going to pay that negligible premium for twice the versatility afforded by navy implants. At 400-500M each, maybe then considering cheap 80m isk vanilla implants might not be such a bad idea.

e.g. CONCORD LP rewards are 10,875 LP + 10,875,000 isk for 3% implants, while 6% implants cost 250k LP + 250M isk. But they plan to make double the mindlink functionality only cost barely double and change? Not saying it needs to scale as severely as hardwirings, but it should be at a hefty premium if you choose to fit them. As it stands now it's ******* dumb.

Fozzie

perhaps you could add navy warfare links.. lower fittings slightly better boost strength than the T1.

Wasn't a great fan on first read through but warming to it a bit more on consideration, some stuff I really like but other aspects a bit cautious about until I see how they work in reality.

Oh and please don't stop OGB working even if steps are taken to stop the "god mode" (lol really) hard to scan off grid boosters. I'm happy enough to bring links on grid for combat but quite often multi-boxing with different characters on different grids which that would royally mess up not to mention it just panders to the lowest skilled/effort players.

The fact still stands: links belong to grid.

The "fact" that "solo" players need to own small to medium gangs is irrelevant.

I was wondering who else would catch this!

Balance, balance, balance.






I rarely agree with a goon (it's a matter of principle), but this guy is spot on.

Cannot begin to say how happy I am to see the first steps of removing OGB.

It does take into account cap usage... The self rep bonus greatly increases the speed of reps, and the cap usage bonus decreases the cap needed by the same amount. The result generally is that you rep faster, and use the same cap / second.

Also, I agree that OGB's still are way too potent.

Frozzie: Why aren't you balancing OGB's around Drugs and Pirate Implants? Seriously, both Drugs and Pirate Implants should give as good or better bonuses to self reps than the corresponding triple linked fleet booster!!!!

Thanks

Help me with the math here with respect to the local tank bonus ccp is also giving.

A non-ogb boosted incursus is effectively getting a 15% bonus to rep. A ogb bonused incruses is effectively getting .7x15% + 15% or 25.5% bonus?

The Math (Skip to the TL; DR; if math bores you!):

Base Stat: Current Small Armor Repper II = 80 HP / 6 Seconds = 13.333 HP/s
Repair Systems 5: 5%/Level Faster Repair. At V this increases HP/s by a factor of 1/.75 = 1.3333
Incursus Hull bonus: 7.5% / Level More Repair. At V this increases HP/s by 1.375

So, LvL 5 Incursus Now = 24.444 HP / s

Legion Currently provides:
-35.16 Cycle Time (and cap use); This is effectively a 1 / (1-.3516) = 1.5422 HP/s Modifier (but will stack with Nanobot Accerators)
+35.16 Resists (damage reduction); This is effectively a 1 / ( 1 - 35.16 ) = 1.5422 EHP / s Modifier (but will stack with resist modifiers except Hull bonuses, DCU, & RAH)

So, Currently a LvL 5 Mindlinked Legion boosts any-armor-ships reps by 1.5422 * 1.5422 = 2.3783 as much as the base incursus.

I'm going to use an EFT verifiable example now:

To put this into effect: Base Armor Resists on an Incursus with a DCU is 23.5%, which is a modifier of 1 / (1 - .235) = 1.307
Taking only Exp Damage, the incursus will rep 24.444 * 1.307 EHP/s = 31.95 EHP/s
With Legion Bonuses, it will rep 31.95 * 2.3783 = 75.98 EHP/s

Now for the changes:
Armor Reppers are 15% stronger = 1.15 Modifier. We could go through all the details, but the result is still a 1.15 Modifier

Changing Legion to Damnation, and using max skills
-25.90% Cycle time (and cap use) = 1 / .741 = 1.3495 HP/s Modifier
+25.90% Resists = 1 / 0.741 = 1.3495 EHP / s Modifier

So, the new Level 5 Mindlinked Damnation Boosts any-armor-ships reps by 1.3495 * 1.3495 = 1.8212

The results:
All 5 Incursus taking only Exp Damage will rep 31.95 * 1.15 = 36.74 EHP / s
With New Damnation Bonuses, it will rep 36.74 * 1.8212 = 66.91 EHP / s





the TL;DR;
Old Incursus against Exp Damage: 31.95 EHP/s
New Incursus against Exp Damage: 36.74 EHP/s
Old Boosted Incursus against Exp Damage: 75.98 EHP / s
New Boosted Incrusus against Exp Damage: 66.91 EHP / s

Notes: 1 SAR2 (No Heat), only Resist mod is DCU2 (adding additional Resist mods will stack with Boosts), No Rigs (adding additional rep or resist mods will stack with Boosts).

Disparity:
A strong Exile/Blue Pill will boost Amror/Shield reps by 30% (and has major chances of drawbacks) for a SINGLE SHIP.
A Full Crystal Implant set will boost Shield reps by 54% for a SINGLE SHIP.
An off-grid booster hugging the POS will boost armor/Shield reps by 82.1% for EVERY SHIP IN THE FLEET!!

That is completely backwards in terms of Risk & Effort vs Reward, and I don't think the booster or implants are very far from where it should be!!!!!! Frozzie's changes are in the right direction, and even appropriate when the booster is ON GRID. But until then, Boosting needs a bigger nerf!!!!

Awwww how cute, someone who still thinks people only play with one account . . .

Seriously large fleet or small gang, everyone only ever used cloaky - interdiction nullified - hard to probe out - 100MN AB - command processor fitting - AFK alts sitting in T3s in a safe spot to provide boost, and will continue to do so until CCP forces them on grid.

After that happens, you may have a legitimate complaint, but until then, everyone ( and I do mean everyone) will just continue to use alts.