Player Features and Ideas Discussion

The reason command ships safe up is because they have 0 survivability on grid. I see nothing in the 3 ops that even begins to address the issues of a command ship actually living for more than 5 seconds.

Also, The obscene needs to train for mindlinks has apparently not been addressed, which continues the wide gap between who can boost worth a ****, and who cannot. Maybe you should dunk a bit on the skill reqs for these.

what if any trade offs will be given for the lack of reasonable ability to compress ore away from the pos? this has to be considered, especially for ice mining with its super long compression times

Don't be dense: Using a command ship, with a 3% boost per level, the following links have basically the same value:
Electronic Superiority, Recon Operation, Sensor Integrity, Evasive Maneuvers, Field Enhancement, Laser Optimization, and Harvester Capacitor. The base strength of the above warfare links were increased to make them effective on non-bonused BC hulls, too. Did you somehow miss that info?

Yes, the Amror and Shield Tanking, as well as the Skirmish Speed and Tackle Range were nerfed.... and rightly so!!!
You realize that any of the 6 boosting siege warfare ships give every member in fleet almost the equivalent rep power of a full crystal implant set AND a standard blue pill? And you think that isn't enough? Really????




Let me explain what I meant, so we are on the same page.
A loki provides a 2% boost to mindlinks per level At level 5, this is a 10% modifier = 1.1.
A CS provides a static 15% boost to mindlinks. This is a 15% modifier = 1.15

So, using the same skills, same implants, links in the Loki will be 1.1 / 1.15 = 95.65% as effective as a Command ship. That is NOT a 15% difference, that is a 4.35% difference.

Since, the max boosts (provided by a CS) of say, Evasive Manuevers is STILL going to be 35% effective, the T3 will conitue to provide this boost at 95.65% of "max effectiveness". This is no where near your 15% difference!!!

(Technically, since it's max effectiveness is being reduced from 35 to 34.5 (98.57%), we could calculate the before vs after effectiveness at 98.57 * 95.65 = 94.28 % effectiveness. )

As for my second point... I can put my booster in a gated plex, and any attempt to warp to it will land you far from my boosting ship. I could station/gate/POS hug with it. I could have it at a deep safe, so my opponents don't even know it's providing links. For 1v1 + falcon, the falcon is very potent, but so is OGBers. As the numbers increase, the falcon becomes much less potent, but the benefits from the booster keep adding more EHP to your gang, more total rep power, and/or more overall benefits.

Are t3s still gonna require command processors to run multiple links? I'd like to see a t3 booster than can run 3 links and actually enter combat instead of sitting in a safe or outside a pos.

When you consider it takes 60-80 days to just train for an 4 very specific implants, it's in no way comparable to other ships or abilities. It should have a lvl 4 requirement on the warfare spec of choice. LvL 5 is so highly preventative for most pilots, and all it does is reduce the intended desires of flying command ships.

Every FC in game knows how miserable it is to find a few pilots to run command ship links, and the 2 reasons stated above are exactly why.

You care that people's optimal range on jammers and TDs go up? Or that they mine 3 percent (or whatever who cares) more per hour now.

Evasive Maneuvers is a tricky thing because reducing it too much makes sig tanking/ab hacs/100mn/range tanking, pretty much ever fleet concept that can beat a blob.

Sensor integrity is anti-ewar and elec superiority is ewar (which is broken right now anyway so whatever)

Do you want links removed or nerfed to uselessness? Sounds like I'm being a **** with that question but the reality is, either they are good or no one brings them except very large fleets.

Gang Links, EWAR and Bombers are the only force multipliers in this game, the only things that allow a smaller group to take on a bigger group. Range tanking or speed tanking used to be on there but that doesn't really exist anymore.



Ok so we agree that the difference is not huge but there still is a difference.

Links should give aggression so they cannot sit on station and dock instantly, gate to a plex, nothing you can do about that except have someone in there to tackle him when he tries it again. Forcing people into POS is a valid tactic and probing them out is a valid tactic to turn off their links.

I've already discussed forcing on grid bonuses plenty of times and it's a pointless exercise. People refuse to accept how people with link alts will adapt to it.

+1 to this

I'm not talking about a 5 links monstrosity, I'm talking about fitting all 3 armor links on my legion and having room to fit a plate and some guns. If a t3 is only ever good for 1 link, why would I choose it over a battlecruser hull? The 10% bonus from the t3 hull is simply not worth the added cost/skill training/skill point loss upon death to run a single warfare link. Currently the only way a t3 booster is useful is to gimp it to hell and back, I'd like them to work like command ships, only not as well.

(I like to fly t3s, I trained for several, I don't want them to be OP, just make them more than marginally better than a BC for boosting + combat)

Ok after looking at the changes properly.. you are pretty much buffing links as much as you nerf them..

Great job..

Sometimes i just get sad.

I want on grid boosts to be potent. I find the proposed values, or even the current values, pretty reasonable for a ship that is on gird, which can be neuted out, or primaried, and is at real risk of being destroyed.

I find it appalling that off grid boosters are more effective than pirate implants and/or standard drugs. They are giving these bonuses to everyone in fleet, while generally remaining safe. I think this is completely assbackwards in regards to the risk vs reward, especially when you compare the value of a blingy implant sets, or the viscous potential drawbacks of drugs.


Logistics is the BIGGEST force multiplier in this game. It belongs on that list!!!



If activating gang links gave the pilot a weapons timer (which prevents docking, ejecting, and gate jumping), I'd be very pleased.

I would still insist off grid boosters to be less effective than pirate implant sets and drugs, and I don't mean a "single" booster, I mean the cumulative effect of all three racial boosters.