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Fixing nullsec ideas

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Evangelina Nolen
Sama Guild
#1 - 2013-07-29 13:44:24 UTC
From someone who chooses not to live in nullsec cause it's all pretty terrible as it stands.

Ideas:
Depletable moon minerals, respawn somewhere else.
Lack of PVE content. Sure running exploration & ratting all day may float your boat; honestly its ******* terrible.
Sov mechanics need to be redone entirely. Upgrades should definitely become more interesting {system wide effects like wh's}
Heather Tsukaya
Doomheim
#2 - 2013-07-29 13:51:08 UTC
I don't think nullsec is broken, but it could certainly be enhanced.

Maybe allow corps to create their own agents with missions in starbases they run.

Nullsec corps need delivery and stuff, so basically they could issue courier contracts in the guise of distribution missions. Then they could also have security missions which would be ratting.

It could help sovnull space feel more alive.
Ellendras Silver
CrashCat Corporation
#3 - 2013-07-29 14:02:53 UTC
Heather Tsukaya wrote:
I don't think nullsec is broken, but it could certainly be enhanced.

Maybe allow corps to create their own agents with missions in star bases they run.

Nullsec corps need delivery and stuff, so basically they could issue courier contracts in the guise of distribution missions. Then they could also have security missions which would be ratting.

It could help sovnull space feel more alive.


ROFL you don't think its broken???? OMG it is so broken it isnt funny anymore...

issue 1.
nobody can get a foot in 0.0 without the ok of one of the big 3 (N3, CFC, or TEST and friends)

issue 2.
The power blocks been growing for years and there isn't anything that is being done apart from the moon changes but what do you know CFC launched a huge attack to gain the best moons as they had before (very smart) the war to take those SOV will take a long time and when its done it is just like before CFC gets rich without any risk or effort

issue 3.
PVP is what 0.0 is meant for due to local intel and intel channels only thing you see is rapiers with covert and normal cyno, bombers with dito cyno or T3 with you guessed it dito cyno`s reason is simpel a normal fleet cant catch anything because of the intel.

issue 4.
industry is being kept out of 0.0 except for the production of caps and super caps as you cant build supers and titans in low sec. everything is being imported with uncatchable jumpfreighters (ok some idiots loose one but that is pilot error)

issue 5.
SOV grind is so boring and slow that nobody wants to do it and if they do it they use supers because it is risk free as only a larger super fleet can oppose a threat

issue 6.
all big fights are so insane big that they can be sabotaged just by getting a **** ton of numbers in the system so the hostiles cant get in easy (as in slow) and you can kill em one by one not to mention that all these fights are with insane TiDi

and you say it isnt broken P

[u]Carpe noctem[/u]

Balthazar Lestrane
Dirt 'n' Glitter
Local Is Primary
#4 - 2013-07-29 14:12:39 UTC
Quote:

issue 2.
The power blocks been growing for years and there isn't anything that is being done apart from the moon changes but what do you know CFC launched a huge attack to gain the best moons as they had before (very smart) the war to take those SOV will take a long time and when its done it is just like before CFC gets rich without any risk or effort



If CFC is taking moons and launching towers to suck up that sweet, sweet moon-goo, logic stands to reason they are taking risks and using effort. Vulnerability to attack = risk, Undocking and doing something = effort.
Heather Tsukaya
Doomheim
#5 - 2013-07-29 14:15:32 UTC
Ellendras Silver wrote:
issue 4.
industry is being kept out of 0.0 except for the production of caps and super caps as you cant build supers and titans in low sec. everything is being imported with uncatchable jumpfreighters (ok some idiots loose one but that is pilot error)

I complained about jump freighters being 100% unkillable here: https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=263063

People seem to think this isn't a problem for some reason though.
Ellendras Silver
CrashCat Corporation
#6 - 2013-07-29 14:18:44 UTC
Balthazar Lestrane wrote:
Quote:

issue 2.
The power blocks been growing for years and there isn't anything that is being done apart from the moon changes but what do you know CFC launched a huge attack to gain the best moons as they had before (very smart) the war to take those SOV will take a long time and when its done it is just like before CFC gets rich without any risk or effort



If CFC is taking moons and launching towers to suck up that sweet, sweet moon-goo, logic stands to reason they are taking risks and using effort. Vulnerability to attack = risk, Undocking and doing something = effort.


yes, till they have it all then they can sit on their moons as they did before

Heather Tsukaya wrote:
Ellendras Silver wrote:
issue 4.
industry is being kept out of 0.0 except for the production of caps and super caps as you cant build supers and titans in low sec. everything is being imported with uncatchable jumpfreighters (ok some idiots loose one but that is pilot error)

I complained about jump freighters being 100% unkillable here: https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=263063

People seem to think this isn't a problem for some reason though.


i know i also responded in it

[u]Carpe noctem[/u]

Heather Tsukaya
Doomheim
#7 - 2013-07-29 14:29:56 UTC
So Eve history like normal history, has had periods of huge server shaking war broken up by periods of peace.

Now that the fountain war is over, people are assuming that the following period of relative peace will last forever.

I think that's nuts.
Nikk Narrel
Moonlit Bonsai
#8 - 2013-07-29 14:38:02 UTC
The problem with null, is that it is too stable.

We need some form of attack that can be anonymous.

If the attacker wants to take credit for this, let them. If some vocal group wants to lie, and take credit for it instead, let them.

It would be nice, if it were possible to have an attack occur, but only the attackers knew for certain who they were.
Ellendras Silver
CrashCat Corporation
#9 - 2013-07-29 14:38:36 UTC
Heather Tsukaya wrote:
So Eve history like normal history, has had periods of huge server shaking war broken up by periods of peace.

Now that the fountain war is over, people are assuming that the following period of relative peace will last forever.

I think that's nuts.

fountain war isn't over yet and you can call it nuts but tell me what happened before the Odessey changes? plz inform me

i can help you out there NIPS because nobody wanted to do SOV grinding and structure bashes so some controlled fights and bully out smaller groups till they become renters or left 0.0 but that is awesome NOT.

like the fight against SOLAR where NCdot dropped 40 titans and 200 capitals and 400 sub caps so SOLAR was like we cant match that so we dont gonna fight so we (yes i was in N3 then) shot without anything happening.

i get the feeling you never been in 0.0 Ugh

i left 0.0 because it was so broken, and i am happy i did

[u]Carpe noctem[/u]

Balthazar Lestrane
Dirt 'n' Glitter
Local Is Primary
#10 - 2013-07-29 15:21:20 UTC
Quote:
yes, till they have it all then they can sit on their moons as they did before


So..? If an Alliance/Coalition has the means to claim a throne, why should they let someone else sit on it after taking it? Doesn't make them risk-adverse or effortless. Show us on the doll where CFC touched you.
Ellendras Silver
CrashCat Corporation
#11 - 2013-07-29 15:45:48 UTC
Balthazar Lestrane wrote:
Quote:
yes, till they have it all then they can sit on their moons as they did before


So..? If an Alliance/Coalition has the means to claim a throne, why should they let someone else sit on it after taking it? Doesn't make them risk-adverse or effortless. Show us on the doll where CFC touched you.


true but that doesn't change the fact that its broken i really don't care i was in the CFC didn't like it so i left and i lived in 0.0 for over a year i was bored of all the broken points so i left to WH life and i love it.

so you can put your doll away and fap on your goon heroes

[u]Carpe noctem[/u]

Shiera Kuni
Electric Machete
#12 - 2013-07-29 16:36:23 UTC
Nikk Narrel wrote:
The problem with null, is that it is too stable.

We need some form of attack that can be anonymous.

If the attacker wants to take credit for this, let them. If some vocal group wants to lie, and take credit for it instead, let them.

It would be nice, if it were possible to have an attack occur, but only the attackers knew for certain who they were.


Gee, that sounds a lot like terrorism seen in the real world. But we see that from time to time in EVE with several different groups who roam null from time to time, causing trouble (Ganked among others). While they don't necessarily have the motivations that we typically see with real-world terrorist organizations, they do exist. In a sense, Null does very much reflect real world politics though, with different alliances representing nations battling for control over natural resources that make the Null world go 'round.

CCP Falcon:  This thread is terrible.

Nikk Narrel
Moonlit Bonsai
#13 - 2013-07-29 16:46:09 UTC
Shiera Kuni wrote:
Nikk Narrel wrote:
The problem with null, is that it is too stable.

We need some form of attack that can be anonymous.

If the attacker wants to take credit for this, let them. If some vocal group wants to lie, and take credit for it instead, let them.

It would be nice, if it were possible to have an attack occur, but only the attackers knew for certain who they were.


Gee, that sounds a lot like terrorism seen in the real world. But we see that from time to time in EVE with several different groups who roam null from time to time, causing trouble (Ganked among others). While they don't necessarily have the motivations that we typically see with real-world terrorist organizations, they do exist. In a sense, Null does very much reflect real world politics though, with different alliances representing nations battling for control over natural resources that make the Null world go 'round.

But we have an unrealistic level of accountability.

There is no hidden deeds on this level, and the technology to conceal is by default always equal to the technology to track and organize, it is the same all around.
Shiera Kuni
Electric Machete
#14 - 2013-07-29 16:55:03 UTC
Nikk Narrel wrote:
But we have an unrealistic level of accountability.

There is no hidden deeds on this level, and the technology to conceal is by default always equal to the technology to track and organize, it is the same all around.


The best way to conceal an attack is to remove all of the witnesses, you can't exactly remove the memory of an attack from a Capsuleer Blink

CCP Falcon:  This thread is terrible.

Nikk Narrel
Moonlit Bonsai
#15 - 2013-07-29 17:01:02 UTC
Shiera Kuni wrote:
Nikk Narrel wrote:
But we have an unrealistic level of accountability.

There is no hidden deeds on this level, and the technology to conceal is by default always equal to the technology to track and organize, it is the same all around.


The best way to conceal an attack is to remove all of the witnesses, you can't exactly remove the memory of an attack from a Capsuleer Blink

Therefore that witness removal is not an option for this.

If they never know who you are, since your identity is never revealed, that is different.
Shiera Kuni
Electric Machete
#16 - 2013-07-29 17:03:25 UTC
True though even that is difficult to do with the information net of New Eden. But, I see that you have a new thread for that :p

CCP Falcon:  This thread is terrible.

Nikk Narrel
Moonlit Bonsai
#17 - 2013-07-29 17:07:32 UTC
Shiera Kuni wrote:
True though even that is difficult to do with the information net of New Eden. But, I see that you have a new thread for that :p

Yeah, this got me thinking about that direction.

For every elaborate means to create a unique item or identity, the counterfeiter also has access to this technology.