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Moon Goo

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Frying Doom
#1 - 2013-07-29 06:52:01 UTC
With the current war showing how much some of the large null sec alliances will to to protect their SRPs, while at the same time completely blowing out of the water the old argument that, moon mining isn't worth that much.

Moon Goo seems to be a great conflict generator, if the system is not allowed to rot in place. It would be good for the game as a whole to not see Null sec turn into a ghost town again.

What I would like to know is will CCP be considering randomly moving the moon resources in 6 months time? or are we in for another few years of stagnant Null sec? and by randomly I do mean randomly, yes it is as boring as hell to scan planets but given the amount of gold at the end of that rainbow, players will and for that matter have rescanned moons to find it.

Any spelling, grammatical and punctuation errors are because frankly, I don't care!!

dexington
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#2 - 2013-07-29 07:03:37 UTC
0/10

I'm a relatively respectable citizen. Multiple felon perhaps, but certainly not dangerous.

Xen Solarus
Furious Destruction and Salvage
#3 - 2013-07-29 07:07:36 UTC
People have been suggesting things like movement of moon goo for ages. The people that resist such a change are the nullsec alliances themselves, who are making isk hand over fist from them. I'd argue that their desire to mostly keep the status-quo is the whole reason for the blue donut. Why risk all that isk generation?

I doubt CCP will risk shaking things up so much though, and risking annoying so many of them, regardless of how much of an awesome idea that it is.

Post with your main, like a BOSS!

And no, i don't live in highsec.  As if that would make your opinion any less wrong.  

Frying Doom
#4 - 2013-07-29 07:07:53 UTC
dexington wrote:
0/10

Good to see the intelligence level around here is still the same.

Unable to distinguish between an observational logic and a troll Lol

Any spelling, grammatical and punctuation errors are because frankly, I don't care!!

Frying Doom
#5 - 2013-07-29 07:12:25 UTC
Xen Solarus wrote:
People have been suggesting things like movement of moon goo for ages. The people that resist such a change are the nullsec alliances themselves, who are making isk hand over fist from them. I'd argue that their desire to mostly keep the status-quo is the whole reason for the blue donut. Why risk all that isk generation?

I doubt CCP will risk shaking things up so much though, and risking annoying so many of them, regardless of how much of an awesome idea that it is.

It is rather a disappointing concept, especially as the Null sec alliance have proven
1) It is worth a but load of isk
2) That they will fight for it
3) That they will go and scan down every moon

Null sec is currently alive with the biggest battle ever occurring but yeah now we will have those alliances arguing that they don't get much isk from moon goo, that they would not fight for it and if it was changed they would not go scanning.

It is a shame that CCP will just keep them happy rather than keeping Null vibrant and alive.

Any spelling, grammatical and punctuation errors are because frankly, I don't care!!

dexington
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#6 - 2013-07-29 07:22:56 UTC
Frying Doom wrote:
Unable to distinguish between an observational logic and a troll Lol


observational logic?, stop flattering yourself, it's happened once and only a fool would claim that a data set with one observation show any kind of trend.

You don't in anyway know if moon goo is worth risking a long-drawn-out all-in war for every 6 months, maybe the war happened because it was worth it, because it was to be a one time thing.

I'm a relatively respectable citizen. Multiple felon perhaps, but certainly not dangerous.

Frying Doom
#7 - 2013-07-29 07:39:55 UTC  |  Edited by: Frying Doom
dexington wrote:
Frying Doom wrote:
Unable to distinguish between an observational logic and a troll Lol


observational logic?, stop flattering yourself, it's happened once and only a fool would claim that a data set with one observation show any kind of trend.

You don't in anyway know if moon goo is worth risking a long-drawn-out all-in war for every 6 months, maybe the war happened because it was worth it, because it was to be a one time thing.


Get run over by a car, then tell me it does not hurt, because it only happened once.

There are things that require a vast data set and things that are obvious, or are you a government employee trying to get an open ended appointment to see if water is wet.

Must study that data Lol

Any spelling, grammatical and punctuation errors are because frankly, I don't care!!

dexington
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#8 - 2013-07-29 07:51:37 UTC
Frying Doom wrote:
There are things that require a vast data set and things that are obvious, or are you a government employee trying to get an open ended appointment to see if water is wet.


Because water can be on liquid form, does not means it never evaporates or turns solid.

I'm a relatively respectable citizen. Multiple felon perhaps, but certainly not dangerous.

Frying Doom
#9 - 2013-07-29 08:01:12 UTC
dexington wrote:
Frying Doom wrote:
There are things that require a vast data set and things that are obvious, or are you a government employee trying to get an open ended appointment to see if water is wet.


Because water can be on liquid form, does not means it never evaporates or turns solid.

You must be a government employee.

Otherwise you you would have just said water is wet. Some things in life are obvious, but apparently you are too blind to see.

But your drivel hardly removes the fact that a huge war has broken out over moon goo, so it is worth the isk. So it would pay to move it every 6 months.

Any spelling, grammatical and punctuation errors are because frankly, I don't care!!

dexington
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#10 - 2013-07-29 08:06:09 UTC
Frying Doom wrote:
dexington wrote:
Frying Doom wrote:
There are things that require a vast data set and things that are obvious, or are you a government employee trying to get an open ended appointment to see if water is wet.


Because water can be on liquid form, does not means it never evaporates or turns solid.

You must be a government employee.

Otherwise you you would have just said water is wet. Some things in life are obvious, but apparently you are too blind to see.

But your drivel hardly removes the fact that a huge war has broken out over moon goo, so it is worth the isk. So it would pay to move it every 6 months.


Water is a chemical compound with the chemical formula H2O. A water molecule contains one oxygen and two hydrogen atoms connected by covalent bonds. Water is a liquid at standard ambient temperature and pressure, but it often co-exists on Earth with its solid state, ice, and gaseous state (water vapor or steam). Water also exists in a liquid crystal state near hydrophilic surfaces.

I'm a relatively respectable citizen. Multiple felon perhaps, but certainly not dangerous.

Frying Doom
#11 - 2013-07-29 08:11:56 UTC
dexington wrote:
Frying Doom wrote:
dexington wrote:
Frying Doom wrote:
There are things that require a vast data set and things that are obvious, or are you a government employee trying to get an open ended appointment to see if water is wet.


Because water can be on liquid form, does not means it never evaporates or turns solid.

You must be a government employee.

Otherwise you you would have just said water is wet. Some things in life are obvious, but apparently you are too blind to see.

But your drivel hardly removes the fact that a huge war has broken out over moon goo, so it is worth the isk. So it would pay to move it every 6 months.


Water is a chemical compound with the chemical formula H2O. A water molecule contains one oxygen and two hydrogen atoms connected by covalent bonds. Water is a liquid at standard ambient temperature and pressure, but it often co-exists on Earth with its solid state, ice, and gaseous state (water vapor or steam). Water also exists in a liquid crystal state near hydrophilic surfaces.

Amazing and in all of that you did not state why water feels wet.

Greetings Government Employee

Oh and over on another topic "So...what happens to EVE if/when TEST lose and the CFC claim all Fountain goldmines for themselves?"
I found
dexington wrote:
There will be much whining on many forums about eve being unfair, and everything from titan to moon mining should be nerfed.


So you are just an alt of a Null sec character and subsequently you will lobby to keep your isk fountains, exactly like I said above, we have had 'Moon Goo is only worth an ice miner', Moving the moons will not cause conflict' and ' No one would scan all those moons again', now we are down to sample size

PatheticLol

Any spelling, grammatical and punctuation errors are because frankly, I don't care!!

dexington
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#12 - 2013-07-29 08:19:54 UTC
is it okay i say 0/10 now?

I'm a relatively respectable citizen. Multiple felon perhaps, but certainly not dangerous.

Andski
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
#13 - 2013-07-29 08:50:51 UTC
"nullsec would be much more vibrant if you removed a major conflict driver" - frying doom

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"It's easy to speak for the silent majority. They rarely object to what you put into their mouths."    - Abrazzar

Fishymonster
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#14 - 2013-07-29 08:55:40 UTC
Frying Doom you are REALLY TERRIBLE at attempting to sound intelligent. On top of feigning intellect you fail to grasp the concept of how moons with valuable goo inside are used by entities like the CFC to generate income. Moon goo doesnt generate trillions of isk per day, its more on the scale of 1.5-2billion isk per moon per month. To your average non-bad player that income does not seem so high compared to even a solo pilots earning potential in the protective bosom of CONCORD. What makes these moons valuable is their consistent ability to produce income. If they want the income of these moons to stay consistent and valuable they must control a large enough share of the supply to assert some influence on the market. The actual cost to the CFC for this current war will not be recuperated just from these conquered moons for over a year. That is with them controlling HUNDREDS of these moons. Unless you want moongoo to be completely inaccessible to happy little serfs like yourself you should be happy that these coalitions go through all the trouble of making sure there is a steady supply of these materials.
Lucas Kell
Solitude Trading
S.N.O.T.
#15 - 2013-07-29 08:59:54 UTC
Frying Doom: While yes in this instance the moon goo changes have caused a war, this is not necessarily the case every time. This time not only introduced new moons, but it changed what moon goo was required, making R64's more valuable. As previously technetium was the leader of the moon goo, and now that has been relegated behind the 4 R64s, a move to get more R64s was required. The cost of the war however will not be recouped from R64 goo within 6 months.

Part of the war was also because Fountain had already been publicly scanned so it was known to have a lot of R64 material before the new moons, so if the change was random every 6 months, it would take longer than 6 months to rescan down all the moons and make an effective plan to invade a new location. By the time you have set it all up, the moons would move again.

It would also make no RP sense as to why the material of the moons was suddenly changed. The current change is easy to explain because it could be there were R64s all the time on those moons, but the technique to scan for them was new, resulting in higher accuracy on scan results.

All in all if this change was made, moon goo simply would get dropped in favor of other forms of income as it would no longer be efficient when you take into account the logistics and cost of finding it and fighting over it every 6 months.

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Frying Doom
#16 - 2013-07-29 12:04:26 UTC
Lucas Kell wrote:
Frying Doom: While yes in this instance the moon goo changes have caused a war, this is not necessarily the case every time. This time not only introduced new moons, but it changed what moon goo was required, making R64's more valuable. As previously technetium was the leader of the moon goo, and now that has been relegated behind the 4 R64s, a move to get more R64s was required. The cost of the war however will not be recouped from R64 goo within 6 months.

Part of the war was also because Fountain had already been publicly scanned so it was known to have a lot of R64 material before the new moons, so if the change was random every 6 months, it would take longer than 6 months to rescan down all the moons and make an effective plan to invade a new location. By the time you have set it all up, the moons would move again.

It would also make no RP sense as to why the material of the moons was suddenly changed. The current change is easy to explain because it could be there were R64s all the time on those moons, but the technique to scan for them was new, resulting in higher accuracy on scan results.

All in all if this change was made, moon goo simply would get dropped in favor of other forms of income as it would no longer be efficient when you take into account the logistics and cost of finding it and fighting over it every 6 months.

Thank you for the refreshingly intelligent answer.

There however does need to be some way to allow this mechanism to act as the brilliant conflict driver we are now seeing, while what I propose might very well be completely the wrong answer, allowing Null to go back to the state it was for years is also definitely not the answer.

As to the RP it would actually fit better for moons to be mined out over months, rather than being endless.

What is the best answer? I really don't know, but the usual crowds answer of "Don't touch it" is worse than mine.

Any spelling, grammatical and punctuation errors are because frankly, I don't care!!

Frying Doom
#17 - 2013-07-29 12:06:14 UTC
Andski wrote:
"nullsec would be much more vibrant if you removed a major conflict driver" - frying doom

glad to see you DO want to see the moons changed from time to time.

Lets face it, it was not a conflict driver till it got changed, or would you like to cite me an example of another battle like the one that was just had.

Any spelling, grammatical and punctuation errors are because frankly, I don't care!!

Lucas Kell
Solitude Trading
S.N.O.T.
#18 - 2013-07-29 12:13:42 UTC
Frying Doom wrote:
Thank you for the refreshingly intelligent answer.

There however does need to be some way to allow this mechanism to act as the brilliant conflict driver we are now seeing, while what I propose might very well be completely the wrong answer, allowing Null to go back to the state it was for years is also definitely not the answer.

As to the RP it would actually fit better for moons to be mined out over months, rather than being endless.

What is the best answer? I really don't know, but the usual crowds answer of "Don't touch it" is worse than mine.

Oh yeah, they definitely need to do something to encourage the massive combat, but i don't think it should be too often (this war will take years for both sides to recoup) and I don't think it should be moons (too much change will result in alliances abandoning them as stable income). The main thing is though that alliance combat in this is in the end decided as an out of game thing. Changing things will bait the alliances into a fight, but if the alliances don't bite, no war happens. I think the next big thing is likely to be sov changes. They have been talking a long time about changing the was sov mechanics work, and the current CSM seems to have that as a pretty strong point. A change to that could provoke a war, especially if it's designed to prevent larger organisations easily holding a lot of sov.

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ChromeStriker
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#19 - 2013-07-29 12:16:05 UTC
I doubt the moons had much to do about it... theres a lot of back room talk before huge things like this happen, its likely just for the fight itself and keeping the members occupied

No Worries

Andski
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
#20 - 2013-07-29 12:16:55 UTC
Yes clearly a system where "invading a region for its moons" is no longer viable is going to create a ~more vibrant~ nullsec

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