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Doctor Ungabungas
Doomheim
#101 - 2011-11-10 15:25:20 UTC
When do Hels get to be not terrible?
gfldex
#102 - 2011-11-10 15:28:20 UTC
CCP Tallest wrote:
* There needs to be a shield HP implant set as a counterbalance to the Slave set.


I would really like to have a 2000dps passive tank of a drake. Before you open that can of worms you need to change the sig radius penalty for shield extenders to either a shield recharge penalty or a resi penalty (only for exp?).

Have a drake with a full passive tank and a tengu giving shield bonus (vulture with T2 WL does the same now) and shoot a station in highsec. Are you sure a T1 BC should be able to out tank that? Are you sure you want to improve passive shield tanks further?

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CCP Tallest
C C P
C C P Alliance
#103 - 2011-11-10 15:29:16 UTC
Vincent Gaines wrote:
Has there been any discussion as to nerfing remote tracking for Titans, to make sure they can't hit subcaps easily?


Actually, yes. I forgot to mention that. Added the following to my post:

Titan tracking issue:
* "Immune to all forms of Electronic Warfare" will also make you immune to remote "electronic assistance", that is: remote tracking enhancers and remote sensor boosters.

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Neo Agricola
Gallente Federation
#104 - 2011-11-10 15:33:57 UTC  |  Edited by: Neo Agricola
CCP Tallest wrote:
Greetings

Please post your feedback about capital ship balancing in this thread.

Thanks.
Your Tallest.

Update (10/11/11): Based on feedback, the following changes will be made in addition to the previously proposed changes. They should hit SISI on Monday November 14th or Tuesday the 15th.

Supercarriers
* All supercarriers: dronebay +25000 (5 extra fighters/fb)

Shield supercapitals
* Shield nerf changed from -20% to -10% (shield recharge rate also changed accordingly)
** New values should be 90% of current TQ value

Naglfar
* +2500 capacitor capacity (recharge time will be changed to have same base recharge.)

Nidhoggur:
* 7,5% bonus to armor and shield transfer amount per carrier level instead of 5%.
* +30000 PG
* +2500 capacitor capacity (recharge time will be changed to have same base recharge.)

Hel:
* 7,5% bonus to armor and shield transfer amount per carrier level instead of 5%.
* +5000 capacitor capacity (recharge time will be changed to have same base recharge.)

XL autocannons:
* +50% falloff

Titan tracking issue:
* "Immune to all forms of Electronic Warfare" will also make you immune to remote "electronic assistance", that is: remote tracking enhancers and remote sensor boosters.


I guess that means, Titans can sill speedtank Dreads in Siege...

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Vincent Gaines
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#105 - 2011-11-10 15:36:26 UTC
CCP Tallest wrote:
Vincent Gaines wrote:
Has there been any discussion as to nerfing remote tracking for Titans, to make sure they can't hit subcaps easily?


Actually, yes. I forgot to mention that. Added the following to my post:

Titan tracking issue:
* "Immune to all forms of Electronic Warfare" will also make you immune to remote "electronic assistance", that is: remote tracking enhancers and remote sensor boosters.



Excuse me, I need to clean my keyboard.. I made a mess.

Not a diplo. 

The above post was edited for spelling.
Tropic9
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#106 - 2011-11-10 15:43:11 UTC
CCP Tallest wrote:

* There needs to be a shield HP implant set as a counterbalance to the Slave set.

Would this mean that there also will be an armor tank version of the crystal set? In order to preserve balance in the universe?
CCP Tallest
C C P
C C P Alliance
#107 - 2011-11-10 15:44:45 UTC
Tropic9 wrote:
CCP Tallest wrote:

* There needs to be a shield HP implant set as a counterbalance to the Slave set.

Would this mean that there also will be an armor tank version of the crystal set? In order to preserve balance in the universe?

That is entirely possible. I like my universe balanced.

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Tropic9
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#108 - 2011-11-10 15:46:41 UTC
CCP Tallest wrote:
Tropic9 wrote:
CCP Tallest wrote:

* There needs to be a shield HP implant set as a counterbalance to the Slave set.

Would this mean that there also will be an armor tank version of the crystal set? In order to preserve balance in the universe?

That is entirely possible. I like my universe balanced.

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Pattern Clarc
Citeregis
#109 - 2011-11-10 15:47:58 UTC
November? Shocked

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CCP Tallest
C C P
C C P Alliance
#110 - 2011-11-10 15:52:36 UTC
Pattern Clarc wrote:
November? Shocked


Well, it's on SISI in November....

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Vincent Gaines
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#111 - 2011-11-10 15:52:43 UTC
Can you elaborate on the bumping issue?

Does this mean a fix to triage/siege (annoying as hell) bumping also?

Not a diplo. 

The above post was edited for spelling.
Bloodpetal
Tir Capital Management Group
#112 - 2011-11-10 15:53:38 UTC
CCP Tallest wrote:
Tropic9 wrote:
CCP Tallest wrote:

* There needs to be a shield HP implant set as a counterbalance to the Slave set.

Would this mean that there also will be an armor tank version of the crystal set? In order to preserve balance in the universe?

That is entirely possible. I like my universe balanced.



You know that's exclusively a Drake set that's going to make them even more silly, right? ;p

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Raid'En
#113 - 2011-11-10 15:55:14 UTC
edit : damn 3mn too late
Vincent Gaines
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#114 - 2011-11-10 16:06:37 UTC
Bloodpetal wrote:
CCP Tallest wrote:
Tropic9 wrote:
CCP Tallest wrote:

* There needs to be a shield HP implant set as a counterbalance to the Slave set.

Would this mean that there also will be an armor tank version of the crystal set? In order to preserve balance in the universe?

That is entirely possible. I like my universe balanced.



You know that's exclusively a Drake set that's going to make them even more silly, right? ;p



It's really only the drake that would become redonkulous with the set. Drop basic shield resistance 5% across the board and bring down recharge time to compensate?

Really though it depends on cost of the sets and how often you see them.

( I hate drakes anyway)

Not a diplo. 

The above post was edited for spelling.
Fuujin
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
#115 - 2011-11-10 16:10:51 UTC  |  Edited by: Fuujin
Bloodpetal wrote:
CCP Tallest wrote:
Tropic9 wrote:
CCP Tallest wrote:

* There needs to be a shield HP implant set as a counterbalance to the Slave set.

Would this mean that there also will be an armor tank version of the crystal set? In order to preserve balance in the universe?

That is entirely possible. I like my universe balanced.



You know that's exclusively a Drake set that's going to make them even more silly, right? ;p


Don't be stupid/think about it. You may see a handful of people plugging in multibillion isk implant sets to make their drake 30-50% tougher. The drake should not be a concern re shield "slave" implants.


Also, CCP Tallest is the Tallest of my heart.


Tropic9 wrote:
Would this mean that there also will be an armor tank version of the crystal set? In order to preserve balance in the universe?


You know Crystal sets don't work with capital modules, right? Otherwise, sure.
pmchem
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#116 - 2011-11-10 16:19:10 UTC
CCP Tallest wrote:
Vincent Gaines wrote:
Has there been any discussion as to nerfing remote tracking for Titans, to make sure they can't hit subcaps easily?


Actually, yes. I forgot to mention that. Added the following to my post:

Titan tracking issue:
* "Immune to all forms of Electronic Warfare" will also make you immune to remote "electronic assistance", that is: remote tracking enhancers and remote sensor boosters.


I assume that will affect supercarriers as well, so they can't receive remote sensor boosting etc? Are any effects included aside from Remote Tracking Links and RSBs?

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gfldex
#117 - 2011-11-10 16:19:50 UTC
CCP Tallest wrote:
That is entirely possible. I like my universe balanced.


May I ask how a universe can be balanced that is leaning so hart over to the tank side that any attacker has to bring a super blob to destroy a ship before it can deaggress and dock/jump?

A proper balance would make gank fits viable at least in some situations. I never really liked the dmg mod nerf. Luckily Diablo III isn't to far away anymore.

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Largo Coronet
Perkone
Caldari State
#118 - 2011-11-10 16:22:36 UTC
CCP Tallest wrote:
[quote=Vincent Gaines]Titan tracking issue:
* "Immune to all forms of Electronic Warfare" will also make you immune to remote "electronic assistance", that is: remote tracking enhancers and remote sensor boosters.
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Aragote
Fat Dragon Mining Co.
Darwinism.
#119 - 2011-11-10 16:24:54 UTC
clap clap, motherships continue on the path of uselessnes go ccp go...
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Perkone
Caldari State
#120 - 2011-11-10 16:27:02 UTC
Bloodpetal wrote:
CCP Tallest wrote:
Tropic9 wrote:
CCP Tallest wrote:

* There needs to be a shield HP implant set as a counterbalance to the Slave set.

Would this mean that there also will be an armor tank version of the crystal set? In order to preserve balance in the universe?

That is entirely possible. I like my universe balanced.



You know that's exclusively a Drake set that's going to make them even more silly, right? ;p



Oh yeah and imagine what all Drakes pilots will do with a HG Shield's Slave set + 3 Estamel's Invul overheated = Damn CCP, you silly ?!?

If Drakes pilots start doing that, we will see nice Pod's Killmail soon™ showing all those Set :)