Player Features and Ideas Discussion

So... anybody have a guesstimate as to the price range for these new industrial hulls?

Thank you CCP Rise for this DEV Blog and please keep up all your hard efforts.

As a pilot of many of these current versions of ships and reading thru most of this blog and will be following it routinely. I'd like to make some suggestions in changes as some have been made already.

General Changes:
1. Base warp speed should be the same all across the board for all T1 industrials.
2. Each race has a specific role to it's own story line (outlined basics below for each).
3. The Orca ore hold should be increased to compete with the 42,000 m3 capabilities proposed in the Iteron Mark IV (Miasmos) changes.
4. None of the specialty cargo holds can be increased thru modules and rigs.
5. Any future ships to be introduced should include Amarr and Minmatar based ships with bonuses to those races preferred weapons and tank repair specialties.


AMARR:
Heavily armor based and a large general cargo capacity is the big and bold Amarr way.

Sigil – The best armor of all the industrials having the best hit points of them all. 10% Armor HP + 5% Cargo Capacity.

Bestower – Capable of having the largest universal cargo space of all the industrials. 10% Cargo Capacity + 5% Maximum Velocity. Also capable of 2 turrets.

FUTURE SHIP: Laser bonus based battle Amarr hauler.


CALDARI:
Defensive is the reason for the Caldari State whether thru missile damage or being shield tanked.

Badger – As proposed having the most potential and base cargo, this industrial is also capable of defending itself in a offensive manner. 10% Heavy and Heavy Assault Missile Damage + 5% Cargo Capacity. 0 turrets, 2 launchers. With a solid dual launcher DPS, it's tank suffers.

Badger Mark II – A improved version of the Badger, yet why not be the industrial with the best shield tank? 10% Shield HP + 5% Cargo Capacity. Can carry only 2 heavy launchers yet doesn't get the damage bonuses as it's sister ship where it's shield tank is it's advantage. Also maybe needs a new name.

FUTURE SHIP: A balanced Badger utilizing both of the above at a lesser degree.


MINMATAR:
Speed and the capability to re-supply fleets is its advantage.

Wreathe – Speed is the advantage of this industrial. 10% Maximum Velocity + 5% Cargo Capacity. Has the best agility and speed of all industrials.
SIDE NOTE: It was mentioned a POS Fuel Block specialist ship be made available and as you mentioned it isn't possible ATM. The Wreathe could be a possible candidate to get bonuses in hauling both gas and ice bi-products instead.

Mammoth – Travel time is it's advantage. 10% Warp Speed + 5% Cargo Capacity. Also has a solid align time with a better then average base speed.

Hoarder – The ammunition mover in space. It is capable of being accessible in space like a fleet hanger resupplying fleets with ammunition and cap boosters. There is also a "need" to include drones in this bay. 10% Ammunition Bay Capacity + 5% Maximum Speed.


GALLANTE:
The drone based race and have the most diverse industrial ships.

Iteron – The industrial mini-drone boat. Like the Badger, able to defend itself but with drones. 10% Drone Damage + 5% Cargo Capacity. Capability only to carry 6-7 light drones.

Kyros (Iteron Mark II) – The mineral mover of space. Maybe increase it's mineral bay a bit.

Epithal (Iteron Mark III) – The PI mover of space (Take over the Primae's role yet see note at the bottom). Cargo hold will need a cargo expander to fit a command center.

Miasmos (Iteron Mark IV)- The “Mini-Orca” of space without the large tank, cargo hold, and huge bonuses. Instead of Maximum Velocity, why not something like a +10% tractor beam range and +10% Ore Capacity. Capable of its special bay to hold both compressed and standard ore, ice, and gas. With two high slots for a tractor beam and salvager to pull jettisoned cans and salvage wrecks. Not greatly tanked.

Iteron Mark V – Average is not the word this boat should be known for yet instead awesome. Give it the capability of having a larger drone bay then its smallest sister. Capable of carrying 75 m3 of drones plus the proper fitting to be actively armor tanked with a 5% armor repair rate, 5% drone damage, and 5% cargo capacity will make grinding to the Mark V worth it. The big moving and fighting industrial ship. Also needs a new name.


PRIMAE:
It was mentioned the Primae was the most under utilized ship in Eve. Two possible suggestions:

1. Many call for a ship that can move ships. Why not change the role of the Primae to become that such ship in the future? Capable of carrying 1 fitted battleship and less.

2. POS Specialist Ship – Bay designed to carry at least one control tower or any equivalant m3 worth of POS Fuels and POS Modules.

agreed. i am not particularly opposed to changing the names but i feel that it takes away the flavor of 10 years hauling history.

sorry, my bad, but still, atributes wise, that thing is basically a shuttle....

So all players who have been training for the Iteron V only to get the biggest hauler will lose 1k m3 and will wish to have trained for a Bestower instead... Ouch.

QFT.

Been also suggesting that one for the longest.
Deaf ears so far :D - but good to see somebody else with the idea.

And likewise, one could simply put in PvE/NPCs doing un-migated damage so it won't be exploited as dummy tanks easily.

Nevertheless, that is exact how I saw it. Giving a lot more HP would give the players some time to call for help. It can't be that these hulking ships pop like a balloon easily. Tiericide helped much but it could be even better.
500k is certainly too much, but raising it to a very decent value would also allow people to be more brave rather than just trying to play safe all day long.

I'm loving the indy changes. I've used battle itty's as "trawling" bait behind my main duo/small gang in 0.0 to great effectiveness before, and I'm thoroughly looking forward to that practice getting buffed

+1 Rise

Of course with the new specializations baiting with empty ship will be a lot more difficult. Nothing like having a specific ship become THE Bait ship. Sure Badger had an edge before but now rebalancing will pretty much eliminate competitors for bait. Not sure you will see it used for anything else except...as an alternative to using BS to secure largish but still small high value cargos.

Heh baiting will still work. But you may actually have to carry valuables and let the victim scan out the prize first.

PS costs should go up for this "militarized"/military ready ship. Obviously there are features not required for common civilain hi sec use. So those features are EXTRA construction costs.

CCP has explained before Amarr is the biggest and oldest of the Empire factions -- and therefore should generally have the best ships except where tradition is allowed to rule. But in the cold hard school of trade traditional is not subsidized like in military.

By all logic of EVE story Amarr industrial and trade ships should be a clear step ahead in exploiting standard tech to the T1 limits. Only new cutting edge (i.e. T2) tech might be an occasional exception.


Finally a return to racial/culture differences instead of the yielding to PC blandness of everyone is alike even when there is no outside force to make sure that happens.

While it's nice CCP is taking the time to revamp Industrials have a few concerns.

1. the renaming. I rather like the names as they are now. MK I-V for Gallentes and mk I-II for Caldari make them feel, well, more industrial. that's what a efficiency-minded corporate ship designer would call them. But if we are renaming the Badger Mk II can we stay with the current naming scheme?

Caldari name their ships after A. Birds or B. Legendary creatures. While I can argue that a badger is pretty awesome and legendary, I had to google what a Tayra is. If anything i would say a Wolverine is a more applicable name, everyone has heard of them and have a pretty legendary reputation, while keeping with the furry Mustelidae family like the Badger.

2. I actually do like the specific cargoholds, what's the point of having so many gallente industrials anyways? But the planetary commodities was supposed to be Primae unique. I am still of the strong opinion that promotional ships should come with an insurance license allowing the holder to repurchase them when destroyed, i guess