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PvP and Avatars
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Bata Kylarro
Ministry of War
Amarr Empire
#1 - 2013-07-22 21:04:56 UTC
I did some research (look-ups) using the killboard and I noticed the following interesting correlation between the amount of succes one has in PvP and the avatars of those pilots: it seems that the statistics for some reason (psychological reasons, I presume?) show that pilots having the more scary and ruthless avatars for their characters have (speaking in general here, of course) by far more succes in PvP. Especially the ones with a lot of scars and/or eye implants and faces partially (or even totally) hidden in hoods seem to do very well in PvP. Furthermore I noticed that pilots having nice, gentle avatars are realy scarse on the higher levels (some exceptions there are, but they are part of a neglectible minority, not realy of any interest for this statistics). Before you might dismiss this query of mine as 'just silly'..just take a look at the facts yourselves, you will notice exactly the same. So, does the above possibly lead to an inevitable conclusion that 'using the right avatars' for a significantly part determine the outcome of ones next PvP fight?

(I myself do not have yet a real opion about this, however, one can not rule out beforehand any possible significant influences of factors of a psychological nature?!?)
Doc Fury
Furious Enterprises
#2 - 2013-07-22 21:15:32 UTC
Fascinating:

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Lee Hekard
Doomheim
#3 - 2013-07-22 21:29:25 UTC
well butter my bollocks
Bata Kylarro
Ministry of War
Amarr Empire
#4 - 2013-07-22 21:32:33 UTC
Maybe perhaps the following comparison: would it be a wise thing for a soldier to do to showing a real 'gentle and compassionate face' while being part of a bajonet charge? Wouldn't the opponents experience such as being confronted 'with some next easy prey', in fact providing them with some kind of 'Mister Invincible mentally boost'? (..that is what I meant by referring to possibility of psychological factors in place and of influence here)
Whitehound
#5 - 2013-07-22 21:37:40 UTC
Yes, I do brawl with my face.

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Bata Kylarro
Ministry of War
Amarr Empire
#6 - 2013-07-22 21:45:56 UTC
..and secondly, as a practical example: based on our human born pure instinct heritage: wouldn 't most of us place our money on Lee Hekard i.s.o Doc Fury if they would clash in PvP... just based on the avatars...thus psychological factors???

(...we cannot just ignore our core genetics and ancient basic instincts as humans, since those represent us a species)
Whitehound
#7 - 2013-07-22 21:49:53 UTC
Bata Kylarro wrote:
..and secondly, as a practical example: based on our human born pure instinct heritage: wouldn 't most of us place our money on Lee Hekard i.s.o Doc Fury if they would clash in PvP... just based on the avatars...thus psychological factors???

(...we cannot just ignore our core genetics and ancient basic instincts as humans, since those represent us a species)

I have given this some thought, but my human pure heritage born instinct clashes my money on rule 3 of the forum.

Loss is meaningful. Therefore is the loss of meaning likewise meaningful. It is the source of all trolling.
Herzog Wolfhammer
Sigma Special Tactics Group
#8 - 2013-07-22 21:50:40 UTC
Lee Hekard wrote:
well butter my bollocks



I'm stealing that.

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Forum Clone 77777
Doomheim
#9 - 2013-07-22 21:55:42 UTC
I go in knowing I already won, everytime, because theres a shadow covering one of my eyes.
Bata Kylarro
Ministry of War
Amarr Empire
#10 - 2013-07-22 21:57:08 UTC  |  Edited by: Bata Kylarro
Whitehound---> for your understanding, this was just my using a metaphor for explaining in short the essence of the foregoing. I am a bit surprised that I have to explain with a separate forum entry to some 'what a metaphor is'...I sure did not anticipatehaha
Unsuccessful At Everything
The Troll Bridge
#11 - 2013-07-22 21:59:02 UTC
I try to make my avatars look like Vogons, because deep down inside, I just want to be loved.

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Lugia3
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#12 - 2013-07-22 22:01:12 UTC
This one time in Old Man Star I stopped a nuclear blast with my face.

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Whitehound
#13 - 2013-07-22 22:08:14 UTC
Bata Kylarro wrote:
Whitehound---> for your understanding, this was just my using a metaphor for explaining in short the essence of the foregoing. I am a bit surprised that I have to explain with a separate forum entry to some 'what a metaphor is'...I sure did not anticipatehaha

And, just for your understanding, I am not a moderator. I am just here for the show. Carry on.

Loss is meaningful. Therefore is the loss of meaning likewise meaningful. It is the source of all trolling.
Iosue
League of Gentlemen
The Initiative.
#14 - 2013-07-22 22:13:36 UTC
no; someone's avatar pic has no bearing on the outcome of an engagement. in short correlation does not imply causation
Chin MonWang
Native Freshfood
Minmatar Republic
#15 - 2013-07-22 22:15:44 UTC
Reading this I am glad that I placed some tatoos in time
Winter Archipelago
Autumn Industrial Enterprises
#16 - 2013-07-22 22:16:32 UTC
Iosue wrote:
no; someone's avatar pic has no bearing on the outcome of an engagement. in short correlation does not imply causation

Actually, there is a bit of a correlation, but it goes in the opposite direction: those who are more active in PvP (and thus: those who tend to have more practice, and are better at it) are more likely to create a vicious-looking avatar, in the same way that people who are predisposed to violence are going to be more likely to seek out violent media (including video games and movies).

That being said... I think I need to change my avatar :(

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Bata Kylarro
Ministry of War
Amarr Empire
#17 - 2013-07-22 22:23:18 UTC
Winter Archipelago wrote:
Iosue wrote:
no; someone's avatar pic has no bearing on the outcome of an engagement. in short correlation does not imply causation

Actually, there is a bit of a correlation, but it goes in the opposite direction: those who are more active in PvP (and thus: those who tend to have more practice, and are better at it) are more likely to create a vicious-looking avatar, in the same way that people who are predisposed to violence are going to be more likely to seek out violent media (including video games and movies).

That being said... I think I need to change my avatar :(


Good entry, makes sense, indeed
Whitehound
#18 - 2013-07-22 22:49:03 UTC  |  Edited by: Whitehound
Bata Kylarro wrote:
Winter Archipelago wrote:
Iosue wrote:
no; someone's avatar pic has no bearing on the outcome of an engagement. in short correlation does not imply causation

Actually, there is a bit of a correlation, but it goes in the opposite direction: those who are more active in PvP (and thus: those who tend to have more practice, and are better at it) are more likely to create a vicious-looking avatar, in the same way that people who are predisposed to violence are going to be more likely to seek out violent media (including video games and movies).

That being said... I think I need to change my avatar :(


Good entry, makes sense, indeed

What about people who are familiar with PvP, believe it to be something completely normal in life and thus create completely normal looking avatars? It would mean that those who are inexperienced with PvP could easily have a false image of it and it therefore might show on their avatars in form of many tattoos, piercings and scars. This could be just as true, couldn't it?

Whatever the truth is, once a truth has been established can it be used by someone who is creepy enough to use it as his or her disguise and to pretend to be someone who he or she is not!

Loss is meaningful. Therefore is the loss of meaning likewise meaningful. It is the source of all trolling.
Trii Seo
Goonswarm Federation
#19 - 2013-07-22 23:48:59 UTC
Well I guess some people just want to look like they're in the mood for clubbing a baby seal. I'm one of them. I'm also always in the mood for seal-clubbing, puppy-kicking and in spare time maybe playing on my Katzenklavier.

This may tie into some people making their character look the part. Sane citizen, total badass, rich industrial mogul, biggest yarr from here to Rancer, deranged murderer that only needs an axe to complete the look. I myself admit I haven't exactly designed this character to look friendly, but hey - your mileage may vary.

That being said, perhaps for new players running into a shaves-with-a-lawnmower kind of guy pumping them full of Barrage S and screaming "Pay the troll toll or die!" looks may affect the situation. That will vanish as they gain experience - in the end when picking a fight you look at the ship first (prey, avoid, bait, scout?), owner's alliance/corp second (Big alliance full of terrible people or one known for having guys actually good at the game?), name third (known hotdropper or guy that's reported solo?) and then maybe, maybe on the picture.

So no, it won't affect the outcome. Unless it's one of those hilarious troll portraits that make you lose the fight because you went blind from looking at them. Still - there seems to be a fair variety in ways people design their characters, so good job CCP for a good character editor that lets this happen. Now only if we had a comeback of all the cool and rather spacey clothing/addon options that were in it in the past (or more choice in the immediately visible area of a 64x64 square) - that would spice things up a bit.

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Lipbite
Express Hauler
#20 - 2013-07-23 00:17:38 UTC
That proves most people aren't smart enough to hide their vicious intentions behind smile. Not in a computer game at least.
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