EVE General Discussion

Every MMO that has added Arena PVP has ended up with PVP everywhere outside of the arena die off.

It will change game from worse for you ,not for others .In sandbox what is good for you is almost never good for other side.

Who is forcing you to make new account ?Also game works like this for ten years and together with Blizzard MMO it is only sub based that is still on market.So what is not working there for CCP?

You cant stop player leaving game after some time.It is normal to make breaks and to feel you are lacking goals in some game if you are veteran.
EvE is not game for any kind of player.Do you really think game will be better if we would have like 5 mil players ?This game is for niche part of MMO player base,and it was like that from start .That is what is making EvE so special.You cant play it like other games.
EVE as it is now will never attract player from theme park MMOs,some of them will stay and like it ,but in most cases they will not play EvE.Death penalty in EVE is to much for majority of those players .

Back up a sec. I thought the whole idea of your suggestion was to stop these power differences. The big alliance would simply join the arena then safely roam about in high sec like you are until you got paired and warped to an arena to fight. They wouldn't be fitting up bling ships for a regular roam in null.

It doesn't fit in EVE, so it won't get done. You basically want a change to the very definition of what EVE is, and for what? So that some WoW players rage quitting WoW will come here? No thanks. I'll stick with the stable population we currently have.

In your idea you make no mention of how fleets will be matched up, numbers isnt a good enough metric. When you have a well thought out idea that doesn't break the spirit of EVE and is more than "yeah, make an arena!" then feel free to post it in the place this belongs - Features & Ideas Discussion.

Oh and CCP are afraid of losing Vets. Otherwise they wouldn't have backed out the aurum changes. EVE is marketed by what is done by players. without the vets, nothing would happen.

Nerf High Sec I say.

Wait this is a sandbox.

Oh yea, and how is this "interfering" with someone's game? When two mutual party's are wanting a 10v10 fleet battle

Toasting to Guinness .... cheers.

I think it would be far easier for CCP to simply integrate a button into the esc menu that allows people to go back to WoW.

You know, we have covered this before... those 2% of damage only very rarely will be the deciding factor in a fight. Even players of many years (and their SP) are flying happily with their weapon spec. skill at lvl. 4.

EVE is driven by player-created content... and, one would assume if there were a lot of interest in arena-type matches, you'd see a lot of player-organized tournaments. And, if those were going on, you might see a push for tools to make organizing such matches easier and/or system-managed matches.

But, you don't. Arena-style PvP fits in well in games that are essentially PvE, because it provides additional content for players.

But, arena-style PvP comes at significant developer cost. There is usually a perception that arena combat be "balanced" and "fair". Which often leads to a lot of developer effort to adjust the same characters and gear to be workable in both PvP and PvE. And that frequently turns into separate rulesets for PvP and PvE - which I dislike immensely. A couple of years ago, I read an interview with one of Blizzard's developers, who answered the question of "what would you warn yourself not to do if you could go back in time?" with "put PvP in WoW".

If you are interested in "fair fights" to the exclusion of other types of fights, EVE is not a good place to call your gaming home. If you are looking for good fights, crappy fights, varied fights, unexpected fights, stupid fights, funny fights - and maybe an occasional fair fight - then EVE is full of content for you.

through all the replies I'm not sure I follow the objective you're trying to reach with your idea. And I'll admit it does sound like some people are interpreting your idea incorrectly and answering something that you didn't propose.

regardless, I'll summarize some points that you'll never win with CCP:
1) You'll never get Instanced PvP: because it's too prone to abuse and it is opposite of the sandbox mentality. period.
2) you'll never be provided a game mechanic that guarantees 'fair' fights. period.


If you can come up with an idea that doesn't violate those concepts, you'd be talking about a (maybe) original idea that's worth discussing further. What i THINK you mean to suggest is something like the following:

A) An extension of the dueling system that will allow you to arrange a limited engagement (existing game mechanic) with many players at once. This would allow 'legal' highsec and lowsec group fights without a complicated series of one-of-one duels among a group of people.
-- does not violate either of the rules above
-- has likely already been proposed.

Or, maybe:

B) A fleet advertisement/notification system that broadcasts in the Constellation channel, or maybe some interface like the incursion finder. You can list your fleet details and it will track your movement. Other fleets looking for fights can find you through the interface, head to your location and then let nature take it's course (within existing game mechanics).
-- does not violate either of the rules above
-- very prone to abuse by falsifying your fleet composition.... or just leading you to slaughter each time you track down one of those 'roaming" fleets.

First, this will by no means dumb down PvP. Fleets roam and find good fights is all I propose. There will be no queue, no button to do anything instantly, and fleets do not have to have fixed setup, just equal in ship count, or if you insist, roughly equal count.

Second, "EvE is driven by player-created content" is a myth to me. I don't see any difference between EvE and other games in this aspect. The well advertised EvE career paths are missioning, mining, exploring, crafting, and trading. There are other activities players can participate in, such as FW, Incursion, Sov fighting, and etc. CCP create mechanisms for all of these activities and players participate in them. What's so special about it? What content did players create? You may point out that there are activities such as BvR and Burn Jita. But events similar to these can be found in other games too without claiming the content is mainly driven by players.

Third, there other not so civil posts that I don't want to adress cause I don't want to be dragged down to your level.