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LVL 4 insanity?

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Kilrayn
Caldari Provisions
#21 - 2011-09-08 18:29:04 UTC
I can't speak for every pirate faction, but serpentis assault has quite a bit more dps than most missions, so I'd assume the rest are heavy also. You have to be more careful with your pulls or get a ridiculous tank, which usually sacrifices your dps.

Also, just to clarify, when you say 70% resists, are you omni-tanking? If you are that's a big mistake in your tank. You should be matching your tank for each mission individually.

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Captain Nares
O3 Corporation
#22 - 2011-09-08 18:42:33 UTC
Dantes Wolf wrote:
Is it me or are the lvl 4' completely insane atm?

Doing "the assualt" - lvl 4 in a 70% ressed golem, with 1300 HP healed 4 seconds and seriously, i can barely keep up - isnt this asking a bit much of people? seriously?

Perfect marauder is nothing without competent pilot :)

Dantes Wolf wrote:

Fix maybe?

Yup, L4 in hisec must be nerfed.


PS blitz it...
Cambarus
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#23 - 2011-09-08 18:56:40 UTC
Dantes Wolf wrote:
hey o/

just had a look a the posts, idk what the problem is regarding my mission methods, if any1 wanna earn a quick buck i'd be happy to take a few lessons in how to optimize my working em - as one said, he's making 50-60 million an hour Vs. my 15 million, i'd be happy to learn from him or any1 one else - I would pay well for the effort.

regarding game balance - i just had a look at the price of a wyvern, and seeing as it is what it is, a major ******* ship and that it costs 2.5 billion, my, would be, 50 million per hour here, isnt that bad - i digres on the statement of game balance.

and lastly ty for the advice on incurtions - quesiton tho, what when ur fleet isnt in the most winning one? u loose all the time invested without pay of any kind, right?

D.

1)A wyvern costs about 10 times what you seem to think it costs.

2)I honestly don't know what you're doing wrong to be so bad at running lvl 4s. I literally just warped in, shot everything, did a bit of salvaging, and left. No idea how you can pull in only a quarter what I do, when my way of running missions is considered horribly inefficient as it is.

3)Incursion fleets who dont do the most dps get nothing. That said, incursions are usually not crowded enough that you will make nothing, the slower fleets just focus on the less sought after sites. I used to run vanguards solo, and one vindi does not put out enough DPS to compete with any decent fleet, but I can say from experience that it was still pretty easy to find sites for myself to run without too much competition Big smile
Cambarus
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#24 - 2011-09-08 18:56:59 UTC
Dantes Wolf wrote:
hey o/

just had a look a the posts, idk what the problem is regarding my mission methods, if any1 wanna earn a quick buck i'd be happy to take a few lessons in how to optimize my working em - as one said, he's making 50-60 million an hour Vs. my 15 million, i'd be happy to learn from him or any1 one else - I would pay well for the effort.

regarding game balance - i just had a look at the price of a wyvern, and seeing as it is what it is, a major ******* ship and that it costs 2.5 billion, my, would be, 50 million per hour here, isnt that bad - i digres on the statement of game balance.

and lastly ty for the advice on incurtions - quesiton tho, what when ur fleet isnt in the most winning one? u loose all the time invested without pay of any kind, right?

D.

1)A wyvern costs about 10 times what you seem to think it costs.

2)I honestly don't know what you're doing wrong to be so bad at running lvl 4s. I literally just warped in, shot everything, did a bit of salvaging, and left. No idea how you can pull in only a quarter what I do, when my way of running missions is considered horribly inefficient as it is.

3)Incursion fleets who dont do the most dps get nothing. That said, incursions are usually not crowded enough that you will make nothing, the slower fleets just focus on the less sought after sites. I used to run vanguards solo, and one vindi does not put out enough DPS to compete with any decent fleet, but I can say from experience that it was still pretty easy to find sites for myself to run without too much competition Big smile
Mr LaForge
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#25 - 2011-09-08 19:25:30 UTC
Dantes Wolf wrote:
hey o/

and lastly ty for the advice on incurtions - quesiton tho, what when ur fleet isnt in the most winning one? u loose all the time invested without pay of any kind, right?

D.


Absolutely.

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Frel
The Pro Choice
#26 - 2011-09-08 19:57:56 UTC
There is only a lot of competition when there is only one high sec incursion during prime time.. As for time invested, each Vanguard site should not take your fleet more than 10mins to complete. Part of the fun is contesting them imo. Ive been in fleets tearing through NCO's in 5mins for a 10mil payout. Low sec incurions still need to be more lucrative to risk shiney fits and faction ships. If what your after is pve then incursions are a good way to spend your time, doing missions solo is so fracking boring. Get into the correct incursion channel, ask some questions and meet some new fleet mates.
Dr Nefarius
Syndicate Society
#27 - 2011-09-08 20:05:32 UTC
Who do serious people continue to give this guy serious responses?

1. Complains highsec lvl 4 rewards are too low
2. Boasts of his own greatness
3. Tell people giving reasonable responses to STFU
4. Claims a Wyvern is 2.5 bill
5. trollollollollollolloll
Dustin Roac
#28 - 2011-09-08 21:48:49 UTC  |  Edited by: Dustin Roac
This has become my mission drone, and will soon be in level 4's in a tengu in about two weeks.


Currently running level 3's in an overskilled and overtanked drake I make about 100mil every 2 nights, about 2-3 storyline missions in those 2 night sessions (about how long it takes to fill up my bestowe), and the isk comes mostly off of loot and salvage. (jump in the noctis and go back out to the site after each mission). I know people say LP is where it's at, but I can say not in level 3's, if 4 is much higher may be more worth it to just blitz. But I've been supporting this char and a pvp char's month subs + isk for fittings/funs off 3's, so saying you can't do it in 4's makes me wonder if something is being done wrong.
Firebolt145
The Hatchery
#29 - 2011-09-08 21:49:05 UTC  |  Edited by: Firebolt145
You realise in Assault you can just keep taking gates until you get to the final pocket, then you only have to kill the five ships on the left, right?

I'm not going to go into details on missioning etc on the forums where there are trolls everywhere but...you're doing it wrong. Very wrong.
Shadowsword
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#30 - 2011-09-08 21:58:08 UTC
Quote:

Having trained for 2 years and 3 months, flying the ultimate mission ship with elite skils and i have to struggle for it?


If you think the Golem is the best mission ship, you've never seen a proper Nightmare or Machariel in action.

Quote:

and wut about the loot? in the old days every wreck had stuff in em, now 3/4 are empty and when i do get loot, they contain T1 items, excuse me, but where is my income here?


Loot was already the smallest part of the mission income before the nerf, so the nerf isn't that painful.


You want to know how we can make 50M/hour? You'll have to research it on your own, because a large part of that income reside in LP offers, and no sane mission runner want his market operations ruined by dozens of lazy people who just happen to read about it on a forum.
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
#31 - 2011-09-08 22:06:49 UTC  |  Edited by: Tippia
Shadowsword wrote:
If you think the Golem is the best mission ship, you've never seen a proper Nightmare or Machariel in action.
Golem and CNR are still the best all-purpose mission ships.

The Nightmare and Mach are better for special uses (notably against EM-weak and Kn/Epl-weak rats, respectively), but they also have distinct drawbacks if you pit them against something outside that specialisation.

Sure, once you get a collection of mission-specific ships that you swap out depending on what you're doing, those two will be pretty much obligatory additions, but if you just want to sit in one ship for everything, they become less than optimal.
Museyman
xDECOYx
Fraternity.
#32 - 2011-09-08 23:00:55 UTC
Do your LVL4s in 0.0 if you want real rewards.
Obsidiana
Atrament Inc.
#33 - 2011-09-09 00:17:27 UTC
I love this mission. I use a Navy Dominix for the fun of it (not that I recommend it for isk/hr). The drones keep hitting after you are target blocked.

Pocket One:
Attack the highest bounty BS last
Drones aggro BC/AC group

Pocket Two:
Kill close group
Kill far group
Kill remaining group lowest bounties first

Blitz: ignore pocket one rats, kill pocket two far group

More info here: http://eve-survival.org/wikka.php?wakka=Assault4gu

Again, it's an awesome mission. I like that you don't know what will happen. The high bounty can look low, a mistake leaving you running to the gate. If the far pocket is out of range for your ship, you could accidently aggro the middle pocket on the way. Varying ECM ships, while annoying, spices things up. Best of all, each bounty in the middle of the second pocket could be the same, leaving you with a Russian Roulette scenario.

I hope they don't change a thing.
Covert Kitty
SRS Industries
#34 - 2011-09-09 02:38:35 UTC  |  Edited by: Covert Kitty
Lesson 1:
http://eve-survival.org/wikka.php?wakka=CategoryLevel4

Lesson 2:
Don't aggress the triggers out of order

Lesson 3:
Get into wormholes, incursions, or go to nullsec, if your 2 years old and still running missions for your primary income something is very wrong.

You can send the donation to this character, thanks :)
trexinatux
Doomheim
#35 - 2011-09-09 05:29:07 UTC
Dantes Wolf wrote:
Is it me or are the lvl 4' completely insane atm?

Doing "the assualt" - lvl 4 in a 70% ressed golem, with 1300 HP healed 4 seconds and seriously, i can barely keep up - isnt this asking a bit much of people? seriously?

Having trained for 2 years and 3 months, flying the ultimate mission ship with elite skils and i have to struggle for it?

and wut about the loot? in the old days every wreck had stuff in em, now 3/4 are empty and when i do get loot, they contain T1 items, excuse me, but where is my income here?

Seriously, EVE is great yadda yadda yadda, but considering the time it takes, i'd better off mining veldspar with crap skills then doing these missions..

Fix maybe?

D.


TLDR: Wah, missions are hard. CCP, I want an easy mode and free ISK.

Helpless people on subway trains...

Capn Orgasmo
Dmacks Minnions
#36 - 2011-09-09 08:41:33 UTC
Running missions in a tengu, everything exactly as it was before the summer.

Im curious about your Golem fit. Maybe you are doing something wrong there.
Shawnm339
Ardent Industrial
#37 - 2011-09-09 10:55:58 UTC
Look around there's plenty of fits for Incursion they are brilliant fun you get to meet loads of new people you're not reliant on salvage, you're working as a team.....I've done 2 missions in the last 2 days (been studying and playing Dead Island) I did Enemies Abound 2-4 (Ok that's 3 but the 3rd ones a courier mission for 7 jumps there and back so it's not really much of a mission) and I netted 80 mill (tags were there major winner for me).....I could be worng here guys but I mission in 0.5 and it seems as though the bonuses rewards and lp seem higher?

I fly a faction BS but was quite happy doing them in a Abbo with T2 fittings of course it's a lot easier with T2 beams and drones but when you lose a drone it hurts financially....somethings not right if you're sturggling with lvl 4s I'm only at 12 mill sp and I'm getting to the point where most of them are a bit of a grind time-wise I know the stories (the Damsels always getting into trouble) and I know what reisists to fit I'll personally state for the record that you need to read the mission guides fit accordingly, I have over 90% of both em/therm for example in a Blood Raider mission......evesurvivial is your friend use it fit accordingly and there is no way you should be in any position to lose a ship (and this comes from a guy who's lost more ships than the German navy in WW2!!

Hit me up in EVE sometime and I'll run through a few things with you either on chat or Teamspeak if you have it....

Incursions to reitierate though are the best fun once you know missions like the back of your hand and you earn great ISK in fact the corp I'm in has been setup to promote safe flying in Incursions by getting our own fleets together (advert over)
Firebolt145
The Hatchery
#38 - 2011-09-09 10:59:42 UTC
Tippia wrote:
Shadowsword wrote:
If you think the Golem is the best mission ship, you've never seen a proper Nightmare or Machariel in action.
Golem and CNR are still the best all-purpose mission ships.

The Nightmare and Mach are better for special uses (notably against EM-weak and Kn/Epl-weak rats, respectively), but they also have distinct drawbacks if you pit them against something outside that specialisation.

No. Just no.
Capn Orgasmo
Dmacks Minnions
#39 - 2011-09-09 10:59:42 UTC
Im going to back Shaw up here, he made a bloody valid and good point. Btw if anyone is reading this and is in the same situation (struggling with missions) hit me up in game and you can tag along and get a feel of the missions or I can answer any questions you may have.
Shawnm339
Ardent Industrial
#40 - 2011-09-09 11:09:08 UTC
The mission guides a real help you will learn to leave the big ships in Blockade until last thereby managing the triggers, and fit accordingly active resists

That's it your over double my sp and it's not often I have to ask for help in a mission unless it's a great one like Worlds Collide that just runs better with 2 of you