Player Features and Ideas Discussion

the problem, CCP, is not with medium guns...

it's with BS sized guns. This is true even for missiles. Nearly all battleships, after your last pass through, are capped at around 700-800 dps with long range weapons, and lvl 5 skills. That is where the problem lies. People expect that a battlehsip should face a significant improvment in dps over their medium setups, and in most cases, it's not.

The jump in dps from small ships to medium is huge. from 200 dps to 500, or 700, or sometimes 800. Then we move from the cruisers/battlecriusers getting 700, to a battlehsip getting 750.

the PROBLEM, ccp, is that battlehsips NEED 20% more damage on every weapons system, across the board... and torps/large blasters need 15-20% more BASE range.

i know you're afraid of power creep...

that is obvious, when you have made EVERY caldari bs with missiles (Navy raven, navy scorp, and golem), EXACTLY the same dps, exactly. you're afraid to create diversity, and it's KILLING your ships. nearly every BS out there gets within 50 dps of other races, other weapons systems. that's BROKEN. dont make the dps the same, and hope the other ship roles make them viable.

and battleships shouldnt be somehting that you're afraid to let some power into.

dont nerf the hell out of medium rails (who track terribly anyway), buff the larges! they dont have enough dps, by a LONG ways. they dont have enough dps on ANY platform.

but i've only been playing 9 years, with every race...

maybe all that first hand experience is wrong.

and you're also making ships REQUIRE a rig to get a fit on... a standard, baseline, everyone should be using it fit--needs fitting rigs. STOP THAT.

thanks.

858dps rail astarte 1016 with drones @ 20o+27f

Confirming rails are now OP and need to be nerfed

a bit out of whack maybe? maybe its just the Astarte that's broken, which would be odd since no one ever complained about it?

No, i'm not...

i suppose it would be battlecruisers... you're looking at 700 dps or so from rails in something like an astarte, and 750 from rails in a navy mega...

any t2 ship, with a double damage bonus, makes about BS level damage with those guns. On some ships that arry 7 guns, and also have that, they match a BS in damage.

so what i'm saying, is that BS's need more than just the 25% more damage than mediums.

SO HERE is the answer.

a deimos gets 2 damage bonuses to guns--TWO.

a naga (just for ccps sake, that is what they used to compare), gets ONE damage bonus to large guns.

therefore, the mediums KEEP UP. it's the double bonus that's making it SEEM like mediums are keeping up with a large--when in reality, the base for the large needs to go up, to distance itself from the mediums.

to give another astarte example, i never mentioned it having blasters--but for your sake lets do that. it gets 1100 dps. large blasters on mega would get 1200. that's LESS than 10% difference...

the battleship should get more. every time. a LOT more. without having to put in faction gear.

the base of a battleship gun needs to go up 20% or more... because there are medium platforms with bouble damage bonuses, and CCP is using those to compare with single bonus BS ones. BS's dont get double damage bonuses. THAT is the problem.

Yes, in damage but not in similar ranges.



There's no need to tweak missiles. Defenders and auto-targeting missiles probably need a look at but nothing serious.

People seem to have issues with the T3 BC. But honestly, aren't they just less tanky battleships? All of their damage numbers should be similar to that of a battleship and they should be much easier to kill thanks to their weak tanks. So what am I missing that they are seen as over powered?

BS level damage + projection with what is essentially cruiser level mobility .. doesn't matter that they have cruiser tanks if you have a hard time locking the damn things before they relocate for more volley fire.

Plus they are comparatively dirt cheap .. guns are pricey but that about it. Like brand new BS picked up in the bargain bin

With the new HACs being hashed out and these medium gun changes the A.BCs needs a good whack if HAC/M.Gun changes are to have a chance in game ...
But then again probing was just made even easier than before so I guess CCP has decided that sniping shall never be part of Eve again, leaving HACs out among the lions, tigers and bears with nothing but triple digit price tags to their names

Wow Wow WOW



I just realized something. CCP is buffing medium long range turrents without fixing drones!!!!


Why is CCP Buffing Medium long range Turrents while leaving drones and Sentry's F*cked?

I'd rather see a 10% tracking penalty to rails, 15 seems a bit harsh, maybe drop the rof bonus to 10 if you feel it would balance better.

And as already pointed out maybe now is the time to tweak ammo as well? Not just T2 (which definitely needs adjustment now). It's all well and good to say antimatter is synonymous with rails atm, but that's mostly due to their terrible dps, we just had to live with medium range, long range turrets.

It's good to finally see some love for the medium rails (I don't use the others so I will limit my comments to what I use) but I think this is a warm up pass......

I agree the tracking reductions are tooo Harsh

this is partly a nerf to medium weapons


but still dispite that.. this will still create and even great gap between drone boats and everything else.

CCP please buff drones and missles it will really hurt drone boats and make missles even worse than they are already

I really like these changes (can't say the same for HACs).

I was just posting almost the exact same ideas about long range medium weapons in a thread just a few weeks ago. It's almost deja vu and I love it.

+1 guys, but I would suggest re-evaluating your HAC changes:)

EDIT: Also, where's the love for missiles and drones? (I hope y'all are getting to that)
EDIT of edit: After watching some ATXI footage I see where you're going with these drones changes