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Make all carriers and dreads prone to normal warp disruptors in lowsec.

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Sarkelias Anophius
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#21 - 2013-07-17 14:27:30 UTC
Funny, I could have sworn there was a massive war in nullsec in which one side was winning strategically without deploying supers

Also didn't a funny thing happen to some PL supers in lowsex? It's not like this stuff can't be dealt with
Blastil
Aideron Robotics
#22 - 2013-07-17 14:28:41 UTC
War Kitten wrote:

4.: What do you want, a doomsday device on a POS?



Holy ****! BEST IDEA EVER!
Siri Exotic
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
#23 - 2013-07-17 14:30:43 UTC
Blastil wrote:
War Kitten wrote:

4.: What do you want, a doomsday device on a POS?



Holy ****! BEST IDEA EVER!



or the option to remotely self destruct the pos tower with Doomsday Splash Damage for 200km
DarklordKarn
Militaris Industries
Northern Coalition.
#24 - 2013-07-17 14:32:56 UTC
Justin Timberlake wrote a song about his...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DksSPZTZES0

DarklordKarn
Militaris Industries
Northern Coalition.
#25 - 2013-07-17 14:34:31 UTC
forgot to add....

...nom nom nom....
Alekanderu
Collapsed Out
Pandemic Legion
#26 - 2013-07-17 14:36:05 UTC
pwned
Grace Ishukone
Ishukone Advanced Research
#27 - 2013-07-17 14:40:41 UTC
NuNu Dagobah wrote:
Grace Ishukone wrote:
NuNu Dagobah wrote:

4. Wow, just, wow. If you don't even know how wrong you are with that, then you have no ******* business even going to lowsec. I'll explain it for you. If you're tackled in a capital (as in, scrammed or pointed), you CAN'T jump.


Then why do people in-game who have played far longer than I keep telling me they can still jump and that you need a HIC to stop them? (including Pandemic Leigon players). You actually tested that what you say is actually accurate post-Odyssey?


"Points at alliance"

You think I even have to test it?



You guys lied and betrayed us before, indeed I'm only in lowsec because I couldn't be in null sec after Pandemic Legion betrayed us and refused to change their decision. Nice work there, making a dead area thrive then killing it again because you thought we might have been sitting on an r64. We weren't, as you will know by now.

But yes, I have no business being in lowsec. I should be in nullsec, merrily mining and working out the most efficient way to build things. But instead I am typing on forums, wondering whether I should cancel all of my accounts, not just some of them.

And for the record yes, Pandemic Leigon cannot be trusted, even if you paid them. They will betray you without a second thought, and the whole "we don't own sov" thing is rubbish - they control access points to entire reigons, that they don't pay sov bills just means they are confident their cap fleets can defend their stations without needing iHubs to shield them, not that they do not *in reality* control huge parts of nullsec. Only their de-facto renter alliance members are permitted to play there, so when you go through dead systems and wish there was pvp there, don't blame me, blame alliances like PL.

Oh and to the Pandemic Leigon guys - you rather just proved the point of why CCP needs to redo the nullsec map and indeed the entire mecahnics of nullsec. When your own players are moving to lowsec and professing intent to play there (and on an individual level I have no reason to believe the player was lying) - it rather reinforces the point that the powerful nullsec alliances have succeeded in making nullsec so boring that their own players no longer wish to live there.

If nullsec was thriving and vibrant, and the location of the end-game of pvp and fun, then everyone wouldn't be moving to lowsec / highsec. Think about it.


Oh, and yes, I do expect that inside 2 years CCP will permit carriers to be used in highsec. They just made them a lot easier to get into the hull, just wait and watch the game go more and more and MORE over to highsec no-pvp themepark. And if you don't liek it, tough - the rich powerful alliances have shaped this game, as is appropriate in a sandbox. BUt the game still does not get to 100,000 concurrent users, not even close, despite 10 years of effort. Commercially, it's kind of a dog, really. I still love EVE, but it has huge issues that flow from bad design calls - one of the most glaring of which is that poor quality systems are conceptually there to be peoples "homes"; yet in reality they are nothing more than time wasters as everyone warps to the out gate to jump 8 - 15 systems to MAYBE get one pvp encounter in nullsec. Pathetic waste of time for players and wasted design opportunity.

So Pandemic Leigon - if CCP do things like hard cap how many stations any alliance can own, how many capitals can be in a system, or simply ban capitals from lowsec entirely ... get over it. There really are likely to be significant design changes made, because let's be honest, currently nearly every one of the large alliances sets up their gameplay to *avoid* pvp. Taking a dozen capitals into a lowsec system 15 minutes before downtime so that there is no time for anyone else to drop your fleet, and the locals have absolutely no chance to threaten even one of your ships let alone all of them, isn't encouraging pvp. It's accountants in space, at its infamous best.

If you were real pvpers, and genuniely wanted pvp, you would scout out what the locals use, and then turn up in a fleet where victory was not certain. Then the locals would fight, and fun would ensue. But when you plan for massive overwheleming victory against people whom you know are the proverbial ants beneath your tank tracks, you simply encourage people to do what so many above encourage - to quit and play something else. And people do, including entire nullsec alliances of old.

An influx of new players whom you then betray and ruthlessly crush without any real effort at all brings you no glory. But it may indeed lead to CCP losing yet more customers. That means less people for you to kill - that is wonderful if you are a moon miner who loves playing spreadsheets in space, but terribly bad if you really are a pvper. The best wolves encourage sheep to live in large numbers in pastures they can hunt in. If you eat all the sheep or scare them all away, you have no-one but yourselves to blame when one wolf turns on the other, then the last lonely wolves lament the good old days when there was plenty of sheep to eat and plenty of wolves to test their strength against.
seth Hendar
I love you miners
#28 - 2013-07-17 14:43:12 UTC
Grace Ishukone wrote:
NuNu Dagobah wrote:

4. Wow, just, wow. If you don't even know how wrong you are with that, then you have no ******* business even going to lowsec. I'll explain it for you. If you're tackled in a capital (as in, scrammed or pointed), you CAN'T jump.


Then why do people in-game who have played far longer than I keep telling me they can still jump and that you need a HIC to stop them? (including Pandemic Leigon players). You actually tested that what you say is actually accurate post-Odyssey?



Oh ... and "no business being in lowsec" ... you are MEANT to ENCOURAGE people like me to go into lowsec. Why?

It's a PvP game FFS (again quoting PL) - you cannot complain about most of the players in the game in highsec not going to low / null, and nealy every single player in Nullsec posing up / docking rather than pvping. then say people like me shouldn't be going where we might actually get pvp'd. Especially when I *want* to pvp, but have simply no credible way to win without myself and all my friends each spending at least US$500 or waiting a year first.

This is a game, not a job. Alkthough in reality it is more than that - because if all the people like me quit, then CCP's staff may well be out of a job. All the super-rich players in nullsec pay with PLEX. after all - the moon goos pay for that as well as spare caps. They can't pay staff with ISK, so don't be too quick to make newer players want to simply give up and go play Darkfall Unholy Wars or one of the other FFA PvP full loot MMOs out there now. EVE is not alone, and likely soon not even CCP's premiere product (indeed Dust income may potentially have overtaken EVE income for them).

you seems to be the one who never flown a capital.

fyi, lost a thannatos to a drop of 90+ ppl 3 weeks ago, no hics involved.

only 2 type of ships are invuln to regular point / scram: titans and supers, for all the others, regular rules apply -> l2cap
David Magnus
#29 - 2013-07-17 14:44:25 UTC
How were you betrayed and by whom?
Did you give payment?

Please let me know what happened and I will investigate. You can EVEMail me if you prefer.

http://soundcloud.com/davidkmagnus/fight-us-maybe

http://soundcloud.com/davidkmagnus/winterupdate

http://soundcloud.com/davidkmagnus/supercaps

http://soundcloud.com/davidkmagnus/pandemiclegion

Dez Affinity
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#30 - 2013-07-17 14:44:33 UTC
look at all dem fuggin words

u ok m8?
Grarr Dexx
The Congregation
No Handlebars.
#31 - 2013-07-17 14:45:43 UTC
reading features & ideas gives me a ******* seizure, and so does your post
Jyn Uin
Blackwater USA Inc.
Pandemic Horde
#32 - 2013-07-17 14:45:46 UTC
For a low payment of 500 million isk I will investigate and punish whoever betrayed you in our alliance of honorable men.
Teckos Pech
Hogyoku
Goonswarm Federation
#33 - 2013-07-17 14:49:41 UTC
Grace Ishukone wrote:
Job Valador wrote:
Tell me were on the POS doll PL touched you.


*there* and *there*



You guys seem to miss the whole point. If you want a healthy pvp game, there has to be a way for smaller alliances to develop up to the point where they are viable in nullsec.


I'd say you don't know what this means, and you don't understand this game.

1. It is a sandbox--i.e. the devs are amazingly hands off regarding typical game play. If 20,000 players want to band together to do stuff...that's fine.

2. Setting up a POS with resists so that no damage gets through from capitals (ships that are in part designed to kill POS) is anti-thetical to PvP.

3. Part of PvP in this game is about working with others, even as a corp/alliance trying to lone wolf it can be tough...if you really want to do that, then as others have suggested HTFU you made a choice now live with it. Or change, and call in people who might want to drop on PL as they hit your tower. PL does have enemies you know.

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Mad Moxie
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#34 - 2013-07-17 14:51:01 UTC
I love this thread. I haven't laughed this much in days Big smile
seth Hendar
I love you miners
#35 - 2013-07-17 14:52:12 UTC
Grace Ishukone wrote:
NuNu Dagobah wrote:
Grace Ishukone wrote:
NuNu Dagobah wrote:

4. Wow, just, wow. If you don't even know how wrong you are with that, then you have no ******* business even going to lowsec. I'll explain it for you. If you're tackled in a capital (as in, scrammed or pointed), you CAN'T jump.


Then why do people in-game who have played far longer than I keep telling me they can still jump and that you need a HIC to stop them? (including Pandemic Leigon players). You actually tested that what you say is actually accurate post-Odyssey?


"Points at alliance"

You think I even have to test it?



You guys lied and betrayed us before, indeed I'm only in lowsec because I couldn't be in null sec after Pandemic Legion betrayed us and refused to change their decision. Nice work there, making a dead area thrive then killing it again because you thought we might have been sitting on an r64. We weren't, as you will know by now.

But yes, I have no business being in lowsec. I should be in nullsec, merrily mining and working out the most efficient way to build things. But instead I am typing on forums, wondering whether I should cancel all of my accounts, not just some of them.

And for the record yes, Pandemic Leigon cannot be trusted, even if you paid them. They will betray you without a second thought, and the whole "we don't own sov" thing is rubbish - they control access points to entire reigons, that they don't pay sov bills just means they are confident their cap fleets can defend their stations without needing iHubs to shield them, not that they do not *in reality* control huge parts of nullsec. Only their de-facto renter alliance members are permitted to play there, so when you go through dead systems and wish there was pvp there, don't blame me, blame alliances like PL.

Oh and to the Pandemic Leigon guys - you rather just proved the point of why CCP needs to redo the nullsec map and indeed the entire mecahnics of nullsec. When your own players are moving to lowsec and professing intent to play there (and on an individual level I have no reason to believe the player was lying) - it rather reinforces the point that the powerful nullsec alliances have succeeded in making nullsec so boring that their own players no longer wish to live there.

If nullsec was thriving and vibrant, and the location of the end-game of pvp and fun, then everyone wouldn't be moving to lowsec / highsec. Think about it.


Oh, and yes, I do expect that inside 2 years CCP will permit carriers to be used in highsec. They just made them a lot easier to get into the hull, just wait and watch the game go more and more and MORE over to highsec no-pvp themepark. And if you don't liek it, tough - the rich powerful alliances have shaped this game, as is appropriate in a sandbox. BUt the game still does not get to 100,000 concurrent users, not even close, despite 10 years of effort. Commercially, it's kind of a dog, really. I still love EVE, but it has huge issues that flow from bad design calls - one of the most glaring of which is that poor quality systems are conceptually there to be peoples "homes"; yet in reality they are nothing more than time wasters as everyone warps to the out gate to jump 8 - 15 systems to MAYBE get one pvp encounter in nullsec. Pathetic waste of time for players and wasted design opportunity.

So Pandemic Leigon - if CCP do things like hard cap how many stations any alliance can own, how many capitals can be in a system, or simply ban capitals from lowsec entirely ... get over it. There really are likely to be significant design changes made, because let's be honest, currently nearly every one of the large alliances sets up their gameplay to *avoid* pvp. Taking a dozen capitals into a lowsec system 15 minutes before downtime so that there is no time for anyone else to drop your fleet, and the locals have absolutely no chance to threaten even one of your ships let alone all of them, isn't encouraging pvp. It's accountants in space, at its infamous best.

If you were real pvpers, and genuniely wanted pvp, you would scout out what the locals use, and then turn up in a fleet where victory was not certain. Then the locals would fight, and fun would ensue. But when you plan for massive overwheleming victory against people whom you know are the proverbial ants beneath your tank tracks, you simply encourage people to do what so many above encourage - to quit and play something else. And people do, including entire nullsec alliances of old.

An influx of new players whom you then betray and ruthlessly crush without any real effort at all brings you no glory. But it may indeed lead to CCP losing yet more customers. That means less people for you to kill - that is wonderful if you are a moon miner who loves playing spreadsheets in space, but terribly bad if you really are a pvper. The best wolves encourage sheep to live in large numbers in pastures they can hunt in. If you eat all the sheep or scare them all away, you have no-one but yourselves to blame when one wolf turns on the other, then the last lonely wolves lament the good old days when there was plenty of sheep to eat and plenty of wolves to test their strength against.

this doesn't make sense, when you go fora fight, you go for winning the fight, hence you take whatever will bring you the best chance of victory..

this is universal in eve, and we can't be mad at anyone for doing it.

there is a balance issue with supers and titans being used by nulssec in low, this is true, but this is an issue from the way they are designed, just as simple as this.

hint: let CSAA being anchored in 0.4 and below.

lowsec can now have the same ships, and a wannabe nullsec alliance can access the ship required to do so (wich, in the current situation, is not possible without having a sov).
Katie Corb
Corb's Emporium of Catgirls and Cynosural Fields
#36 - 2013-07-17 14:53:11 UTC
I tried mining in nullsec and PL dropped 14 supers on me. :(

:darkelf:

seth Hendar
I love you miners
#37 - 2013-07-17 14:54:33 UTC
Katie Corb wrote:
I tried mining in nullsec and PL dropped 14 supers on me. :(

what were you mining with?Big smile
Victyrael
Sniggerdly
Pandemic Legion
#38 - 2013-07-17 14:56:11 UTC
Best thread on EVE-O.
Richter Enderas
Kaesong Kosmonauts
#39 - 2013-07-17 14:58:06 UTC
m-muh capital bl0b
Theng Hofses
Blackwater USA Inc.
Pandemic Horde
#40 - 2013-07-17 15:00:14 UTC  |  Edited by: Theng Hofses
Grace Ishukone wrote:


You guys lied and betrayed us before, indeed I'm only in lowsec because I couldn't be in null sec after Pandemic Legion betrayed us and refused to change their decision. Nice work there, making a dead area thrive then killing it again because you thought we might have been sitting on an r64. We weren't, as you will know by now. But yes, I have no business being in lowsec. I should be in nullsec, merrily mining and working out the most efficient way to build things. But instead I am typing on forums, wondering whether I should cancel all of my accounts, not just some of them



Who did what to you and who are you really? I am getting a bit confused here. . Eve is a game of risk and you risk it all. Be in nullsec but please understand that you have 0.0 security = zero security there. It is the might is right part of the game. If you don't like it, don't be in 0.0 security space.

Grace Ishukone wrote:


And for the record yes, Pandemic Leigon cannot be trusted, even if you paid them. They will betray you without a second thought



Okay, I get it.

Grace Ishukone wrote:


and the whole "we don't own sov" thing is rubbish - they control access points to entire reigons, that they don't pay sov bills just means they are confident their cap fleets can defend their stations without needing iHubs to shield them, not that they do not *in reality* control huge parts of nullsec. Only their de-facto renter alliance members are permitted to play there, so when you go through dead systems and wish there was pvp there, don't blame me, blame alliances like PL.

Oh and to the Pandemic Leigon guys - you rather just proved the point of why CCP needs to redo the nullsec map and indeed the entire mecahnics of nullsec. When your own players are moving to lowsec and professing intent to play there (and on an individual level I have no reason to believe the player was lying) - it rather reinforces the point that the powerful nullsec alliances have succeeded in making nullsec so boring that their own players no longer wish to live there.

If nullsec was thriving and vibrant, and the location of the end-game of pvp and fun, then everyone wouldn't be moving to lowsec / highsec. Think about it.



It's a sandbox game, we follow the rules to the full extend what is permitted. Apparently though we play the game slightly different to how you play the game. Don't blame us. Maybe you need a deeper understanding of how the game really works - and yes, it's a game after all.

Grace Ishukone wrote:


If you were real pvpers, and genuniely wanted pvp, you would scout out what the locals use, and then turn up in a fleet where victory was not certain. Then the locals would fight, and fun would ensue. But when you plan for massive overwheleming victory against people whom you know are the proverbial ants beneath your tank tracks, you simply encourage people to do what so many above encourage - to quit and play something else. And people do, including entire nullsec alliances of old.



Okay, some fight to win and try to minimize the chances of losing. If you do it any other way you just lose.

Grace Ishukone wrote:


An influx of new players whom you then betray and ruthlessly crush without any real effort at all brings you no glory. But it may indeed lead to CCP losing yet more customers. That means less people for you to kill - that is wonderful if you are a moon miner who loves playing spreadsheets in space, but terribly bad if you really are a pvper. The best wolves encourage sheep to live in large numbers in pastures they can hunt in. If you eat all the sheep or scare them all away, you have no-one but yourselves to blame when one wolf turns on the other, then the last lonely wolves lament the good old days when there was plenty of sheep to eat and plenty of wolves to test their strength against.


Sorry we pissed in your risk-free morning corn flakes and took your marbles away. Actually, not really that sorry. But I appreciate the advice from a self-admitted sheep like you, even though we are not wolves at all... just a different kind of sheep. We are actually quite bad at this game as our frequent ****-ups and losses show. Quite embarrassing though. My corp lost four super-carriers in one **** up last week and I don't even want to start about what the other corps lost. They were literally the sheep that were led to the slaughter. Any way, in your opinion, how we could avoid that going forward? How could mechanics be changed so that we can keep our precious resources that we spent so long to gather in the game? Thank you for your continued support and advice.